Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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These are used in tight metro areas. Never towing anything. Never off-roading. It’s hard driving and parking a full size pickup in a city. These are streets you have to slow down to fit two regular sized cars to pass by with parked cars on both sides. The older smaller Toyota Tachoma’s are gold in areas like this. Ford Transit Connect’s, Dodge Pro Master City, Nissan NV200 are all over. I am all for a small pick up but it should be RWD at least. A small RWD pick up with a 6 speed manual and the 300hp 2.3L ecoboost would be awesome. They could have used the explorer platform, whereas its probably a flipped around Ford Fusion platform. Why does it need to be RWD? Not going to tow anything FWD allows the bed/floor to be lower and lower reach over to cargo area and tailgate. Just lop of the back roof of a: Ford Transit Connect’s, Dodge Pro Master City, Nissan NV200. Use the same front end sheet metal for cost savings. Those truck loaded get 20 mpg city. Unloaded hwy is 25-28+. Gas cost are big savings for fleets and deliveries. I hear you but I was envisioning more of this: instead of this And from what I've seen they're trying to make it look like a mini F150, even using the same trim names, XLT etc. They should have just went all the way
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Can't say I really understand this. Isn't the new Ranger small enough? Couldn't they make a stripped down version of that truck to fill any market gap? Also don't understand marketing it as the Maverick but then maybe it's just us car guys who have a negative connotation with that name. I do. It's almost like Pinto. Almost!
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Basic economics... Full-size trucks start @ $45K, mid-size trucks @ $30K, mini-size trucks @ $20K... As inflation increases, the market demand for economy mini-trucks will expand... Just my $0.02...
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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I hear you but I was envisioning more of this:
put an 8 ft bed option on it and they'll sell IMO. BTW I had several of the Mazda trucks back in the 80's and they were great IMO
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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put an 8 ft bed option on it and they'll sell IMO. BTW I had several of the Mazda trucks back in the 80's and they were great IMO Around here 8ft beds don't sell. I have one, but it's a company truck so I really didn't get an option. Had I an option I would have gotten a Colorado rather than a Silverado 2500 four door with an 8 ft bed, parking that thing in town is fun.
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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I hear you but I was envisioning more of this:
put an 8 ft bed option on it and they'll sell IMO. BTW I had several of the Mazda trucks back in the 80's and they were great IMO At 8 foot bed, you’re at a regular sized truck. Or mid sized. I’d just like to see a 6 foot bed with extended cab to haul 3rd person or some gear. Rarely haul 4 people. That keeps the overall length under 200” 1st gen Ford Ranger (which I think mirrors that Mazda B2000): Supercab length: 1983–1988:192.7 in 1989–1992:193.6 in Width 1983–1988: 66.9 in 1989–1992: 66.8 in Reg cab: 6 or 7 foot bed Extended cab: 6 foot bed
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Pretty sure Ford is looking at those that are buying Escapes, but would jump into a "truck" at the right size . . . . not to mention, that as a "truck", it is not covered by the same emissions/crash test, etc, that cars are. Even the SUV's are on different regulations than cars. Also, will bring up the Ford fleet mpg . . . allowing them to continue selling the full size F150.
Amazing how trucks have grown so much in 20 years !!! I bought my 2002 Ram2500 Cummins (quad cab, short box, HO, 6spd, SLT, 2wd) new. Today, it looks "small" next to a new 4dr Ram 1500 !!! . . . not everyone needs a monster truck (todays 1/2tons) . . . heck, I thought driving the Cummins around town and finding parking was tough . . . . HA !! I had a 2013 Ram 1500 . . . that truck seemed HUGE !! . . .
My company vehicle is now a GMC Canyon . . . reminds me of the size of trucks in the 80s. Fits great around town, and so far, comfy and does what I need it to . . . keep the Cummins for towing though !!
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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New Ford Maverick truck specs: 4.5 foot bed Wow. A 8x4 sheet of plywood only stick 3.5 feet out the bed. Yea, that works great in the middle metro traffic
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Basic economics... Full-size trucks start @ $45K, mid-size trucks @ $30K, mini-size trucks @ $20K... As inflation increases, the market demand for economy mini-trucks will expand... Just my $0.02... What I'm saying is can't Ford produce an "economy" truck on the Ranger platform. The truck we are seeing does not look at all like a mini truck to me. It looks like a stripped down plain jane but not mini sized. It's small but is market demand large enough to go slightly smaller than the Ranger other than a dinky bed?
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Basic economics... Full-size trucks start @ $45K, mid-size trucks @ $30K, mini-size trucks @ $20K... As inflation increases, the market demand for economy mini-trucks will expand... Just my $0.02... What I'm saying is can't Ford produce an "economy" truck on the Ranger platform. The truck we are seeing does not look at all like a mini truck to me. It looks like a stripped down plain jane but not mini sized. It's small but is market demand large enough to go slightly smaller than the Ranger other than a dinky bed? It's a Ford! Who cares?
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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https://www.ford.com/trucks/maverick/2022/Specs seems to be a $19,995 starting price, 40mpg, and 2,000 - 4,000lb towing depending on options. The wheelbase is a foot+ shorter than rangers, Colorados, nissans etc. It has a 40ft turning radius, its about the size of a midsize SUV
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Basic economics... Full-size trucks start @ $45K, mid-size trucks @ $30K, mini-size trucks @ $20K... As inflation increases, the market demand for economy mini-trucks will expand... Just my $0.02... What I'm saying is can't Ford produce an "economy" truck on the Ranger platform. The truck we are seeing does not look at all like a mini truck to me. It looks like a stripped down plain jane but not mini sized. It's small but is market demand large enough to go slightly smaller than the Ranger other than a dinky bed? It's a Ford! Who cares? Maybe dodge is next? Single cab has 5.5 ft bed Extended cab has4 ft bed
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Basic economics... Full-size trucks start @ $45K, mid-size trucks @ $30K, mini-size trucks @ $20K... As inflation increases, the market demand for economy mini-trucks will expand... Just my $0.02... What I'm saying is can't Ford produce an "economy" truck on the Ranger platform. The truck we are seeing does not look at all like a mini truck to me. It looks like a stripped down plain jane but not mini sized. It's small but is market demand large enough to go slightly smaller than the Ranger other than a dinky bed? It's a Ford! Who cares? Maybe dodge is next? Single cab has 5.5 ft bed Extended cab has4 ft bed Don't get excited, I saw one of those in El Paso, Mexican plates and all. It is tiny. Smaller than a Subaru Brat was.
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Isn't that basically what the explorer sport track was?
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Isn't that basically what the explorer sport track was? Yes. But heftier and worse mileage. They had a 50” (~4ft) bed. Up to 7,100 lbs towing capacity. Dimensions Wheelbase 130.5 in (3,315 mm) Length 210.2 in (5,339 mm)[2] Width 73.7 in (1,872 mm) Height 2009–10: 71.6 in (1,819 mm) 2007–08: 72.5 in
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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put an 8 ft bed option on it and they'll sell IMO. BTW I had several of the Mazda trucks back in the 80's and they were great IMO Around here 8ft beds don't sell. I have one, but it's a company truck so I really didn't get an option. Had I an option I would have gotten a Colorado rather than a Silverado 2500 four door with an 8 ft bed, parking that thing in town is fun. My bad as I now remember the Mazda trucks had about a 6 foot bed with either cab Also the 40 MPG being quoted is for the "hybrid" gas / electric version. The optional 2.0 eco boost that was in my wife's Escape was fun to drive but only got about 16 MPG in town with her driving it ( less with me) and not a whole lot better on the highway. Did have some "cajones" though.
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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The eco boost was designed to fool the MPG rating test, they don't actually get near what they are advertised driving anything like normal people drive.
Also these tiny trucks are in no way comparable to old mini trucks, there is no frame, you can't easily swap the bed when you have dented it all up from actually working, the sheet-metal is way flimsier you can't put on a flatbed if that's what you need, not even a 6 foot bed option, the manufactures want to push those kind of people into giant earthmovers so they make more money, the profit alone on a half ton is more than a real work worthy mini truck would sell for... They are not aimed at people who use there small truck for actual work, these are for girls and other city slickers to move a recliner every other year or throw an igloo in there for a trip to the beach and a way to get around CAFE standards.
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Re: Looks like Ford will soon offer a small pickup
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Only real player in that market and the setup is pretty interesting. Compact, fwd, good economy, decent utility, four doors, unibody...checks a lot of boxes. They'll sell just fine to those younger than members of this board and those in the more congested, northeast, part of the country. Ford isn't selling this truck to Moparts members, just like Harley can't make a sale to a young guy. It's going to do pretty well in a younger age group, you can't expect every truck out there to be $40k-$50k-$60k and hit the full gambit of buyers. Folks that think people are buying this truck to "make a living with" are missing it. They'll also probably design protect for some MachE commonality and get to a viable EV version rather quickly. Ford's goal is to hit 40% EV by 2030, they better get going.
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