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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Roadcuda] #2930156
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Arlington, Va. did that to me back in the mid-80's (among many other less-than-ethical behaviors I won't go into right now because it's bad for my blood pressure). I bought a good-running '82 Mercedes 300SD, although with faded paint and 180k miles, for $7500. Went to the tax office to get my county sticker, and lo and behold my "new" car is now worth $12,200, full retail with no allowance for condition, so that's what I paid property tax on mad

I told the woman that she could give me $11K, I'd hand her the keys and walk home. Didn't help. Crooks.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: poorboy] #2930160
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Check what they want for the appraisal. Here it's a form that you can get a used car lot to fill in it's not the in depth kind that you usually think about when you hear that word.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: bigdad] #2930161
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The fact is that the DMV can flag a deal for more tax at the time the vehicle is being registered. They wait several months before demanding more tax because they figure people won't be able to provide as much documentation because it gets thrown out or you can't find the seller. This happened to me twice in the last few years. Both were State surplus auction vehicles that were a pretty good deal. Luckily I had documentation so I sent it in and the tax collector went away.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: ZIPPY] #2930175
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I've NEVER heard of this happening in Michigan in my 63 years. What BS!

Do they try & tax people having garage sales???

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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: ZIPPY] #2930190
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Just keep in mind:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Michigan/Florida+Panhandle,+Florida/@37.0264341,-94.604734,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4d4caa3dc7ca0411:0x97dd48597a62c9b3!2m2!1d-85.6023643!2d44.3148443!1m5!1m1!1s0x88914188ccd376ab:0x7660c78d509ff7e7!2m2!1d-87.2168913!2d30.4212643!3e0

It's only 16 hours away...

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Fat_Mike] #2930197
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I kind of get hung up on the entire concept. Why is the government entitled to review and tax a transaction between two private parties? I'm happy to report that is not the case here in Arizona.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Ramrod39] #2930198
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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
I kind of get hung up on the entire concept. Why is the government entitled to review and tax a transaction between two private parties? I'm happy to report that is not the case here in Arizona.


Every state has laws like this on the books. Some states probably enforce more than others.


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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: 71TA] #2930225
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Originally Posted by 71TA
Own a small business and see these leaches come out of the woodwork. I mean they are just employees but you'd swear they get a commission on what thyey collect they are so aggressive.

Small business owner pay tax on "personal property". So you basically have to pay tax on everything you insure or depreciate. All your vehicles, equipment, computers, etc. About 5%. EVERY EFFING YEAR. THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST FOR THE PLEASURE OF YOUR COMPANY AND EQUIPMENT SITTING IN THIER CITY. They actually want you to pay tax on every pencil and office chair. We already pay 100 other taxes. The government thinks like most employees, "It sold for $100 so they MADE $100" NO!!!!!! Rent, payroll, repairs, roof, pallet racks, parking lot, paint for the building, machine repairs, computers, utilities, and on and on. That $100 is only $20 profit IF YOU ARE DAMN LUCKY.

I always remember the story about John Wayne Gacey, the clown serial killer. He was a government flunky that would patrol neighborhoods and write tickets for lawns being too long. One person said he would bring a phone book of paperwork and pictures if you fought him in court. HE WAS A SERIAL KILLER!!!!

Gacey owned a small construction company, you are thinking of the BTK killer, Dennis Rader.


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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: ZIPPY] #2930232
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Zippy was this letter sent to you by registered or certified mail where it had to be signed for? This sounds like the guy or company you bought it from is under some sort of review or audit.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: DrCharles] #2930236
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
Arlington, Va. did that to me back in the mid-80's (among many other less-than-ethical behaviors I won't go into right now because it's bad for my blood pressure). I bought a good-running '82 Mercedes 300SD, although with faded paint and 180k miles, for $7500. Went to the tax office to get my county sticker, and lo and behold my "new" car is now worth $12,200, full retail with no allowance for condition, so that's what I paid property tax on mad

I told the woman that she could give me $11K, I'd hand her the keys and walk home. Didn't help. Crooks.


Are we talking property tax or sales tax?? I'm confused shruggy

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Sunroofcuda] #2930249
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Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
I've NEVER heard of this happening in Michigan in my 63 years. What BS!

Do they try & tax people having garage sales???



here, you have to get a permit to have a garage sale. when this was first brought about, the city said it was to combat a few persons that had been doing ongoing garage sales for weeks and months at a time. to fix this problem, the permit would be for three days, and would be a tool to be used to shut down the permanently run sales. the permit was free. it wasn't long before that "free" permit was $5.00. i think it's $10.00 now.
if a way to collect sales tax were to be figured out when you sell your buddy a wrench you never use anymore, or a tire and wheel that doesn't fit your current ride, they would be all over it !
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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: ZIPPY] #2930259
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY


2. Just pay the idiotic tax, which I don't want to do not 100% out of being cheap


Knowing the actual dollar amount of the tax would be nice. Sometimes it's wiser to pay than to be in the government's sights. Petty bureaucrats often wield enough power to make your life miserable.


I'm supposed to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder for me to find one now.
Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: John_Kunkel] #2930269
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Long ago I did something and the irs hit me with a 13k back tax request. Either I or they missed something but I sent a bank check that week and never heard back from them.


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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Guitar Jones] #2930367
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by 71TA
Own a small business and see these leaches come out of the woodwork. I mean they are just employees but you'd swear they get a commission on what thyey collect they are so aggressive.

Small business owner pay tax on "personal property". So you basically have to pay tax on everything you insure or depreciate. All your vehicles, equipment, computers, etc. About 5%. EVERY EFFING YEAR. THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST FOR THE PLEASURE OF YOUR COMPANY AND EQUIPMENT SITTING IN THIER CITY. They actually want you to pay tax on every pencil and office chair. We already pay 100 other taxes. The government thinks like most employees, "It sold for $100 so they MADE $100" NO!!!!!! Rent, payroll, repairs, roof, pallet racks, parking lot, paint for the building, machine repairs, computers, utilities, and on and on. That $100 is only $20 profit IF YOU ARE DAMN LUCKY.

I always remember the story about John Wayne Gacey, the clown serial killer. He was a government flunky that would patrol neighborhoods and write tickets for lawns being too long. One person said he would bring a phone book of paperwork and pictures if you fought him in court. HE WAS A SERIAL KILLER!!!!

Gacey owned a small construction company, you are thinking of the BTK killer, Dennis Rader.


You are correct in your serial killer trivia smile


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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2930371
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I bought a 2009Accent several years ago for $300. Engine was trashed and it was wrecked in the left front. I transferred the title, paying the tax on the $300. Several months later I get a letter from the state of FL stating the sale price was less than the average value of the vehicle. They wanted signed letters from the seller and the buyer that the stated sale price was correct. Well I couldn't do that since the sale was facilitated through a third party, a service advisor that no longer worked at the dealership so I had no way to contact the seller since I didn't have their contact info. I called the FL DMV and explained the situation and why the car was so cheap. They told me to just send a letter explaining the cars condition and how I bought it. No problems after that.
Not every state is corrupt.


I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.

The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one new one.
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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: 71TA] #2930375
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Originally Posted by 71TA
Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by 71TA
Own a small business and see these leaches come out of the woodwork. I mean they are just employees but you'd swear they get a commission on what thyey collect they are so aggressive.

Small business owner pay tax on "personal property". So you basically have to pay tax on everything you insure or depreciate. All your vehicles, equipment, computers, etc. About 5%. EVERY EFFING YEAR. THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST FOR THE PLEASURE OF YOUR COMPANY AND EQUIPMENT SITTING IN THIER CITY. They actually want you to pay tax on every pencil and office chair. We already pay 100 other taxes. The government thinks like most employees, "It sold for $100 so they MADE $100" NO!!!!!! Rent, payroll, repairs, roof, pallet racks, parking lot, paint for the building, machine repairs, computers, utilities, and on and on. That $100 is only $20 profit IF YOU ARE DAMN LUCKY.

I always remember the story about John Wayne Gacey, the clown serial killer. He was a government flunky that would patrol neighborhoods and write tickets for lawns being too long. One person said he would bring a phone book of paperwork and pictures if you fought him in court. HE WAS A SERIAL KILLER!!!!

Gacey owned a small construction company, you are thinking of the BTK killer, Dennis Rader.


You are correct in your serial killer trivia smile

I know my serial killers. wave


I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.

The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one new one.
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NP435, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. NV4500 coming soon.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2930401
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
Long ago I did something and the irs hit me with a 13k back tax request. Either I or they missed something but I sent a bank check that week and never heard back from them.





Hey, what about that $50K I let you borrow? I guess you missed paying me also, just send me a check and I let those hard feelings go....buddy smile



Seriously though, you should have questioned that IRS bullchit, I got hit by an IRS "letter" saying I owed them $40K....dammed if I was going to pay that!, funny thing is they wouldn't give me a local office that I could visit to show my displeasure, they just wanted a check, in full!, after several months and talking to IRS individuals in almost every State, funny my State didn't have IRS employees or offices, who would have thunk? and with every argument with a new agent the amount slowly went down review after review....eventually we settled on $11K due to a filling "error"....

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: Guitar Jones] #2930436
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
I bought a 2009Accent several years ago for $300. Engine was trashed and it was wrecked in the left front. I transferred the title, paying the tax on the $300. Several months later I get a letter from the state of FL stating the sale price was less than the average value of the vehicle. They wanted signed letters from the seller and the buyer that the stated sale price was correct. Well I couldn't do that since the sale was facilitated through a third party, a service advisor that no longer worked at the dealership so I had no way to contact the seller since I didn't have their contact info. I called the FL DMV and explained the situation and why the car was so cheap. They told me to just send a letter explaining the cars condition and how I bought it. No problems after that.
Not every state is corrupt.


similar experiences here.

last fall i bought a 2009 VW Jetta so i could do a smyth ute project .i only paid $200 for the car. i also got a letter from the DMV saying i owed more taxes on my purchase a couple of months later.
the car was rusty as hell, covered under VW rust warranty and repaired for free. ( i did the repair work and have invoices billing VW $12K for rust repairs) it also didn't run. i had to put $2500 in parts to get it daily driver reliable. i still have to figure out a ECM check engine light so i still might have to buy a $1K factory ECM, now my cheap car might not be so cheap.
i took pics of the car when i bought it. i also sent copies of the parts invoices of everything i bought. i sent everything to the DMV and to my surprise about 1 month later i got a letter back stating i didn't owe anything for taxes.

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Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: 1972CudaV21] #2930556
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Originally Posted by 1972CudaV21
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I kind of get hung up on the entire concept. Why is the government entitled to review and tax a transaction between two private parties? I'm happy to report that is not the case here in Arizona.


Every state has laws like this on the books. Some states probably enforce more than others.


Nope. Not true. No sales tax on private vehicle translations in Arizona. A very quick web search indicates that is the case in New Hampshire, Delaware, Montana, Oregon, and Alaska, and Washington, DC also.

Re: Punishment for repairing my own vehicle [Re: ZIPPY] #2930559
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Wow. That seems crazy. People in California seem to never pay more than “$500” for any car and it’s against DMV policy to even ask them about it.

I realize the government can be pretty thorough in the way they write the laws. But I would have to think the burden of proof indicating the value you listed was false would fall on them. Furthermore THEY would need to provide documentation of the condition the vehicle was in. As far as I’m concerned you did your part and are innocent of any falsification unless they can prove otherwise which is impossible because it’s not true. What a money grab 🙄

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