Re: F-150 Lightning returns
[Re: AndyF]
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The article I read indicated 330 miles of range for the high capacity version. Not bad at all. I saw that but even without driving one I can guarantee that it won't go 330 miles on the freeway at freeway speeds. The mfgs over rate the range by assuming a "mix" of driving. I don't know if any of this stuff is standardized yet like it is with mileage ratings for gas powered cars but I'm sure it will be shortly. From what I can tell by driving electric cars, the quoted range is determined by driving the car at roughly 35 or 40 miles per hour on flat roads. As soon as you get over 65 mph, or start driving up hills, the actual range plummets. My guess is that the range is only good for about 200 miles at 70 mph. It's being regulated for sure, same with how much the battery capacity and range can decline over full useful life, but I think CARB was just proposing that now so it won't be into effect for a few more years. Agree that the 330 mile range likely doesn't apply to driving at 75 mph on hills though.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
[Re: Blusmbl]
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05/21/21 09:59 AM
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I think they are abusing the Lightning name just like the Mustang Mach E. It gets people talking about it though which is what they want.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/21/21 10:29 AM
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I think they are abusing the Lightning name just like the Mustang Mach E. It gets people talking about it though which is what they want.
At least its still a truck, and a fast one - a lot faster than the 2004 Lightning. using the Mustang on an SUV while they still made the other Mustang was confusing at best.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
[Re: Blusmbl]
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05/21/21 11:34 AM
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The article I read indicated 330 miles of range for the high capacity version. Not bad at all. I saw that but even without driving one I can guarantee that it won't go 330 miles on the freeway at freeway speeds. The mfgs over rate the range by assuming a "mix" of driving. I don't know if any of this stuff is standardized yet like it is with mileage ratings for gas powered cars but I'm sure it will be shortly. From what I can tell by driving electric cars, the quoted range is determined by driving the car at roughly 35 or 40 miles per hour on flat roads. As soon as you get over 65 mph, or start driving up hills, the actual range plummets. My guess is that the range is only good for about 200 miles at 70 mph. It's being regulated for sure, same with how much the battery capacity and range can decline over full useful life, but I think CARB was just proposing that now so it won't be into effect for a few more years. Agree that the 330 mile range likely doesn't apply to driving at 75 mph on hills though. Yeah I would expect the EPA or someone along those lines to create a road course that all vehicles have to be scored on so everyone is working from the same play book. I don't know if that exists today or not. I do know that my Leaf is rated at 80 miles of range and it will do that if you drive it around town. But if you get on the freeway at 70 mph the range is somewhere in the 30 or 40 mile range. If you go up a steep hill the range drops like a rock. Of course, if you turn around and go down a hill then the range increases since it regens and sends power back to the battery. So range is a very tricky thing in an EV.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/21/21 01:35 PM
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anyone hear how the electric grid is being updated to handle the charging needs of all these electric vehicles ? it seems like the common brown outs and rotating black outs may get worse without new power plants being built ? plus remote areas , i been through towns where the center of the town is a 4 way stop sign
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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anyone hear how the electric grid is being updated to handle the charging needs of all these electric vehicles ? it seems like the common brown outs and rotating black outs may get worse without new power plants being built ? plus remote areas , i been through towns where the center of the town is a 4 way stop sign Electric cars are only going to work for a segment of the population at the moment. Over time that segment will grow but it is going to be a long time before they take over. Might never happen depending on what else comes along. I like having one electric vehicle since they are great for running short errands around town but life would be difficult if your only car is electric. All of your trips would have to be figured out in advance and there would be times where you just couldn't do things because you didn't have enough range left. Ten years from now it will most likely be easier to own electric but it isn't very convenient right now.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/22/21 12:41 AM
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anyone hear how the electric grid is being updated to handle the charging needs of all these electric vehicles ? it seems like the common brown outs and rotating black outs may get worse without new power plants being built ? FACT. As the news was reporting about anticipated blackouts and such, the commercial break came on with an ad for THIS truck...... Perfect! Add more demand just as they are shutting down the power!
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/27/21 05:36 AM
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Ford put out a bulletin this week about being careful to avoid exposing their EVs and hybrids to excessive heat, which is causing concerns about the paint process in the collision repair industry. It will be interesting to see what's done to ensure proper refinishing if shops can't use the bake cycle on their booths at the temps they normally would.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/27/21 06:42 AM
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I saw somewhere that the new electric truck can tell you how much wieght you are hauling. So that means it can also tell the dealer to void your warranty when you overload it.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/27/21 06:56 AM
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Ford put out a bulletin this week about being careful to avoid exposing their EVs and hybrids to excessive heat, which is causing concerns about the paint process in the collision repair industry. It will be interesting to see what's done to ensure proper refinishing if shops can't use the bake cycle on their booths at the temps they normally would. if you ask me this is total BS. when i bake a car it's at 145 for 40 min. in all reality the temps of the non exterior sheetmetal doesn't get that high.in my opinion they barely hit 100. the sheetmetal gets to 140 for about 15 min at most. cars in the south regularly hit those temps and higher when they sit out in the sun all day.
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Re: F-150 Lightning returns
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05/27/21 07:41 AM
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Ford put out a bulletin this week about being careful to avoid exposing their EVs and hybrids to excessive heat, which is causing concerns about the paint process in the collision repair industry. It will be interesting to see what's done to ensure proper refinishing if shops can't use the bake cycle on their booths at the temps they normally would. if you ask me this is total BS. when i bake a car it's at 145 for 40 min. in all reality the temps of the non exterior sheetmetal doesn't get that high.in my opinion they barely hit 100. the sheetmetal gets to 140 for about 15 min at most. cars in the south regularly hit those temps and higher when they sit out in the sun all day. I'm glad you replied. I thought it was interesting that, in the day and age of OEM repair procedures being emphasized (and rightfully so), that Ford would put out this statement. The statement itself is somewhat vague, and is likely a CYA move, as opposed to a "You must/must not fix the vehicle this way."
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