Stinkin cam bearings!
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02/21/21 09:23 PM
02/21/21 09:23 PM
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Surely I am not the only one who dislikes installing cam bearings.
It was time for cam bearings in the 440/541. I made sure everything was clean and free of burrs after punching out the old bearings. The rear bearing went in with no issue but was tight when I fit the cam. After a bit of work with 2000 grit paper I got a proper fit. The next bearing is really putting up a fight. I can see a few high points and keep dressing the bearings but haven't got it to fall into line yet. Life got in the way and I had to put it away after about 45 minutes. I really hope the other 3 bearings behave themselves a bit better.
I'm thinking about putting together a 2000 grit flapper and running it in there with a 90 degree drill head.
How do you guys work those things?
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon
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Re: Stinkin cam bearings!
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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02/21/21 11:07 PM
02/21/21 11:07 PM
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Chargerfan68
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Bearing knife and scrape them as needed one at a time until the cam slides in and out and rotates freely, it ain't the bearings, it is usually the block cam bores being to small Dang Ma Mopar for not having them all correct to start with Exactly! Almost every bb Mopar i’ve had to scrape the bearings with a bearing knife as Cab said. I hate this part of the process also.
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Re: Stinkin cam bearings!
[Re: lewtot184]
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02/22/21 08:36 AM
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You're cut cam journal method is about the best method after the "fact". Using any abrasive on babbit is a = good luck getting that emedded stuff out.
I haven't had any problems for many years now. I only use Durabond bearings and I believe that is one factor. I also take another precautionary step before the block is in its final wash in the jetwash tank. I take my extended diegrinder with a flap wheel on it and buff up all the cam bores and its amazing how many scrapes and gouges in the journal bores show up. I'm pretty aggressive in this process because I really don't want any issues in the final assembly process. J.Rob
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Re: Stinkin cam bearings!
[Re: 6PakBee]
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02/22/21 09:37 AM
02/22/21 09:37 AM
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I've got a camshaft with journal grooves like this that I use for a tight cam bearing. The trick is making sure the grooves are angled and that they extend past the end of the journal. It's kind of a back yard reamer. This is NOT mine, this is a photo of one like mine. I'm too lazy to go up to the shop and take a picture of mine. I use the same thing.
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Re: Stinkin cam bearings!
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02/22/21 11:23 AM
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Bearing knife and scrape them as needed one at a time until the cam slides in and out and rotates freely, it ain't the bearings, it is usually the block cam bores being to small Dang Ma Mopar for not having them all correct to start with Checking each bearing as they go in helps identify where the problems are. Sliding the cam in and turning it showed high points near each oil port and some random spots in between. That let me know where to work each bearing. It's a bit tough to get in there with a bearing scraper and I didn't want to gouge them. As for grit from the sandpaper, I've never had any issues with good quality really fine grit. I try to clean the bearings after using paper on them. I'm pretty sure the bearing journals were bored straight and the alignment issues come from heat cycling the block.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon
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Re: Stinkin cam bearings!
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02/22/21 11:35 AM
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DaveRS23
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Probably 20% of the big block Mopars I have seen rebuilt have had cam bearing issues. I remember a friend of mine that called me about the 440 in his '69 GTX. Very nice, all original but the engine was puffing blue and he figured it needed rebuilt. It may have really only needed valve seals.Anyway, Mike took it to a local machine shop and just wanted a freshen up. He got it back, fired it up and spun the cam bearing out of it. He messed around with it long enough to ruin the block before he called me. That was probably in the late 80s. His shop told it must have been something that he done, so tough $hit.
I still have a stock cam with the grooves cut in the journals that I have used since the mid 70s. Has probably done several dozen big blocks over the years. Friends and machine shops have done more engines with it than I have.
Master, again and still
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