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Re: ladder bar safety restraints-ideas needed
[Re: cudaman1969]
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01/31/21 12:39 PM
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I have used the Chris Alston Solid heim joints on my heavy car for a lot of years. I just keep a lot of heavy grease on them and they still look like new. I do have the weld on safety straps on them but so far knock on wood they have been great.
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Re: ladder bar safety restraints-ideas needed
[Re: Kindafast]
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01/31/21 02:02 PM
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To continue my previous post. I feel the Alston side strap is superior to the transitional safety strap (surround) due to its ability to fit in a tighter space and strength (more material). The traditional strap may be fine in a leaf sprung/floater set up but in a coil over set up the safety strap is the only protection you have from a very very bad day. The side strap when placed properly will allow removal of the Heim joint and should not cause interference with the mounting point.
As far as replacement of joints the rule of thumb I was told (40 yrs ago) was every two seasons. This could be translated into a certain number of passes and become more important in a coil over/ladder bar set up. With regard to solid vs swivel type joint usually the solid type joints are at the axle end of the bars not the leading end. This would facilitate the side to side rotation that occurs when there is chassis roll. A solid front joint would wear quickly if used in the leading position.
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Re: ladder bar safety restraints-ideas needed
[Re: racerx]
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01/31/21 07:14 PM
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That dont prevent the failure of the joint. All it does is keep the ladder bar from moving back on the failed side.Just a safety measure to keep it from messing up a ton of stuff it the heim joint fails..
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Re: ladder bar safety restraints-ideas needed
[Re: W.I.N. Racing]
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02/01/21 03:03 PM
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To continue my previous post. I feel the Alston side strap is superior to the transitional safety strap (surround) due to its ability to fit in a tighter space and strength (more material). The traditional strap may be fine in a leaf sprung/floater set up but in a coil over set up the safety strap is the only protection you have from a very very bad day. The side strap when placed properly will allow removal of the Heim joint and should not cause interference with the mounting point.
As far as replacement of joints the rule of thumb I was told (40 yrs ago) was every two seasons. This could be translated into a certain number of passes and become more important in a coil over/ladder bar set up. With regard to solid vs swivel type joint usually the solid type joints are at the axle end of the bars not the leading end. This would facilitate the side to side rotation that occurs when there is chassis roll. A solid front joint would wear quickly if used in the leading position. my thinking of the solid versus swivel joint position as well. this thing [if it EVER gets done] will see some street time, so i'm going to replace the solid front joints with the best joints available. i like the ones with the nylon or whatever the material is used. i also have some of those super thin washers that keep grit out of the joint i will be using. i also changed out the diagonal bar to 1" x .125 wall with mounting brackets attached to the driver's side front joint and the passenger's side rear joint. i'm using 5/8" heims on both ends. overkill for sure, but i don't want them to break. the brackets on the rear will be triangulated to the rear tubes to ensure strength. my space is limited at the front of the bracket, as these pics shows during the chassis mock up, thus my reason for posting this question. the front mounting is hard to see. sorry for the poor quality. 
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Re: ladder bar safety restraints-ideas needed
[Re: tubtar]
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02/02/21 01:15 PM
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an anti-roll bar is definitely in the mix for this thing. not shown in my pics are the mounting places already there, but the bar size, arms and end links haven't been done yet. the front bar mounts are 360 degree brackets, 1/4" thick, that will be boxed in with straps and tied into the chassis rail sides. the rear brackets came as 180 degree pieces, but will be turned into 360 degree pieces tied into the shock mounts, as well as boxed in and have 1" tube bracing to the rear end tubes. it may be a weight penalty, but will be [hopefully] a super strong mounting system. even the upper shock mounts are boxed and made of 1/4" material in a double shear attachment.
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it looks to be removable(bolt)
