USA made or CHINAmart ? .... what diff would you pay ? ...
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... just bought a used high optioned 12 inch miter saw.... the blade was shot. I did a search on blades ... I was astonished at price diffs. TAKE ANY product purchase ... how much more would you pay to support North American jobs ? YES I’m including those ... north of the border !
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Re: USA made or CHINAmart ? .... what diff would you pay ? ...
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... just bought a used high optioned 12 inch miter saw.... the blade was shot. I did a search on blades ... I was astonished at price diffs. TAKE ANY product purchase ... how much more would you pay to support North American jobs ? YES I’m including those ... north of the border ! It's more than just supporting jobs, the US made stuff is likely much better than the other. Seek out some independent reviews to see.
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I wonder where the flag was made. Depends which "kit" you buy I'm sure
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Unless I can prove to myself something is made 100% in the USA, I'm not gonna pony up the extra $$$$. Why? Long time ago I was getting part time jobs thru a temp agency. One of these part time jobs I was hired out to was to change the packaging on the product to show PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA instead of Made in China. That was my job for two days (honestly don't remember the company, it was some kind of swamp cooler). Not saying this happens a lot (or even at all with bigger companies) but the whole experience soured me on 'buying American' just based on a sticker. Another variation to this that I've seen was the BOX being 'Made in the USA' but the contents were 100% China made. Do a little research before spending the extra $$$$ is all I'm saying.
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Reading some reply’s it seems there are two different opinions on why to buy from North America; -Patriotism to keep folks here in work, and -Fear of buying an inferior product.
If the first is your concern, good luck with purchasing almost everything, many a country other than China make goods sold in your local stores. As a matter of fact, finding a true “made in the USA” or “Canada” may be at or near impossible, as mentioned, made is in the USA is often disguised and assembled, partly assembled, sticker placed on it, or an outright fraudulent rebox.
If the second is your concern, China, as well as many other countries, including the US and Canada, are fully capable of producing some very high quality items. Poor quality is usually the result of the brand accepting inferior quality to maximize profit or to beat the other guys price point.
I try to live by case number 1 but on the same token I’m not willing to purchase an inferior product for the same or higher price, just to say it’s made in country X. Far beyond price I consider quality (as best can be determined through research) as how something holds up over time, or performs a function, reliably, makes my life easier and reduces work.
Not trying to sway anyone or state right and wrong, but something to think about
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I wonder where the flag was made. Depends which "kit" you buy I'm sure United States Flag Store and/or Valley Forge Flags is worth a look guys
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I do my best to buy USA made. Depending on the item depends on how much extra I will pay. For instance I will go to harbor freight if I need a specialty tool I will use one time or seldom. USA made doesn't always mean better, i won't pay more for less quality. But in most cases the USA item is better for a marginal difference. And in some cases the USA made part is cheaper and better, I just wish it was more common. I like it when companies are up front and proud of US made stuff as well. Just two examples off the top of my head. Like DIYAutotune where I get all my fuel injection stuff https://www.diyautotune.com/news/an-open-letter-from-our-founder-ceo-jerry-hoffmann/Or Weathertech https://www.weathertech.com/behindtech/
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Unless I can prove to myself something is made 100% in the USA, I'm not gonna pony up the extra $$$$. Why? Long time ago I was getting part time jobs thru a temp agency. One of these part time jobs I was hired out to was to change the packaging on the product to show PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA instead of Made in China. That was my job for two days (honestly don't remember the company, it was some kind of swamp cooler). Not saying this happens a lot (or even at all with bigger companies) but the whole experience soured me on 'buying American' just based on a sticker. Another variation to this that I've seen was the BOX being 'Made in the USA' but the contents were 100% China made. Do a little research before spending the extra $$$$ is all I'm saying. I bought two quarter panels from Year One because they advertised Made In USA. When they arrived there were stickers that had those words on it. Then I noticed the corner of a sticker under the USA sticker so I carefully removed the USA sticker and there, plain as day was a sticker that had Made in Taiwan ROC (Republic of China). I've never bought from Year One again.
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I'm glad people make the effort. Now tell me where you guys are getting your U.S. made stroker cranks & connecting rods... It would save me the trouble of rebuilding factory I-beams all the time & hunting for old Kellogg cranks. Callies and Oliver is where I got my last one. The one before was from 440source and not US made and the machine shop found no problems with the product. The build dictates what I will us.
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... just bought a used high optioned 12 inch miter saw.... the blade was shot. I did a search on blades ... I was astonished at price diffs. TAKE ANY product purchase ... how much more would you pay to support North American jobs ? YES I’m including those ... north of the border ! I for one do try to buy quality US made products. Especially when a company shifts production overseas to cut costs but charges same prices as before like I have seen with Craftsman and Levi's. Both of these companies lost my business as the quality suffered. You can get quality from China, but it takes a lot of oversite and control of production which is usually done by westerners that cost a company a lot (expats). Add in the rising costs of transportation and now you find that you have to either reduce oversite or further cheapen the product. I buy Texas Jeans now. They seem to be holding up, and come in many styles. At the end of the day I don't think anyone cares about the name on the 2" x 4" leather label on the waist band. As for tools, I focus on US manufactures when I can. Or if I know its a crap shoot with quality I will buy the foreign with the assumption I will replace it later. We have a store near us called "Made in America" that sells only US made items. But they don't stock a lot of stuff so its hit or miss when shopping there.
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You can get quality from China, but it takes a lot of oversite and control of production which is usually done by westerners that cost a company a lot (expats). This is not true. Do you know why American-made, no, let's say non-Chinese-made, product is (generally) higher quality? It sure as hell isn't because the workers are more skilled or conscientious. In fact, the total opposite is true. Give an American a job to do with no specific desired outcome and you will end up with the same sh!t that the American auto makers were cranking out in the 60's to 80's. The average American worker will do the least amount of work for the most monetary gain. It took foreign (read Japanese) product to open American eyes and implement "quality programs". Programs such as ISO - but don't get me started on that one! Chinese production is no different today than most other countries. If you provide the specifications and tolerances, you will end up with a product comparable to and other manufacturer using the same specifications. And it doesn't take oversite by westerners, the Chinese are total capable of overseeing their own production. No, the reason you get poor quality Chinese product is because, quite simply, there is a market for it! Forget Chinese for a moment and look at the vast array of American-made products. You will find a large number of similar products with varying levels of quality and price. Because there is a market. A prime example is Snap-On, Mac, Craftsman and Stanley tools. Not everyone needs or can afford a Snap-On or Mac and the Craftsman or Stanley will do just fine. So back to the point of Chinese quality, its there - if you want it - and it will still cost less than an American-made product of equal quality.
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It is true China can produce a product that is of high quality but... The challenge is having product built and audited under strict quality standards. However In China it is a common practice to source/build for the lowest price, and this frequently results in a sub-par product due to: a. Weak or none, outgoing QA standards b. No audit for the raw material subcontractors c. Frequently, low-quality and/or recycled raw materials are utilized d. No local monitoring of the production process e. No final outgoing inspection Bottom line.. We have been sourcing products from China for >20 years, made >60 trips to China, while delivering products valued @ millions of $$.. And this has been done for some of the well-known brands. Also we are frequently consulted by an importer who has been burned by not following an audited, documented procedure. Sourcing from China can be a challenge, the procedure is well-established but does add significant costs to the product, and this is where many problems arise as the importer tries to save $ costs but ends up with a batch of defective products... Just my $0.02...
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