Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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22cc dish wiseco 2.005 ch .990 pin comp star rods 6.760"[corrected rod info] I believe.oil restrictor in rkr stand
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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I think most agree that a cam for blown use has a wider LSA (smaller OL) than an NA engine. But... has anyone seen a relationship, comparison, rule of thumb etc. for how much added to the LSA for how much boost? I'm sure it's not a direct number (2:1, 3:1) etc. but what's the LSA for a 10 psi 6-71 vs. a 30 psi Kobelco on the same engine?
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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I think most agree that a cam for blown use has a wider LSA (smaller OL) than an NA engine. But... has anyone seen a relationship, comparison, rule of thumb etc. for how much added to the LSA for how much boost? I'm sure it's not a direct number (2:1, 3:1) etc. but what's the LSA for a 10 psi 6-71 vs. a 30 psi Kobelco on the same engine? I know someone with a top dragster engine 528 55# boost had 114 lsa
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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I know you are getting a stroker rod,piston but here is som tech on mine. My piston pin is .250" because I had hopes of running 20# of boost at the time so the piston weight is heavy. ps:I started out with Eagle H rods in the early days and they held up great.
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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I wonder about pin bending reduced by wall thickness. In a 1.000" pin, .250" wall has only about 8% more bending resistance than .200" wall, but 17% more weight. A larger OD is far more effective, but obviously there is only a small range that works. Going up from .927" (SBC pin) to .990" (BBC pin) with the same .200" wall is 27% stiffer. The .990" wall could be as thin as .125" with the same stiffness as the .927" by .200" pin (but much worse resistance to crushing and deformation). The bending resistance is greatly affected by the unsupported span width. If the rod eye is 1.000" wide and the pin bosses are .500" away the span is .500" with the bosses 2.000" apart. Closing the boss distance to 1.500" (each boss is .250" thicker, but still has .250" float at either end) is a huge change. No, a spacer won't do this, the material must be continuous with the previous boss structure. NACA duct as the compressor discharge port of an Eaton M supercharger:
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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01/09/21 02:15 PM
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The motor had a set of Fel Pro 1009 on it and they looked good on the sealing to the heads and block. There is one flaw on one cylinder on the block I don't like so I will have it surface a tiny bit and smooth up at the same time. He doesn't want to turn the boost up at this time and I'm advising him to keep the boost under 7.0 lbs. to be safe with this 440 block, I am adding aluminum main caps, it has ARP main studs in it already so they will stay. I'm stroking it also to 4.25 and changing the heads to a set of Eddy E street heads with 75.0 CC and having Bullet make me a new solid roller cam with quite a bit more lift than the original cam that only had .345 lobe lift My goal is to make him happy with more power down low before the boost kicks in without allowing him to hurt the motor at WOT Maybe it is time for a good low pressure blow off valve
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Blown 440 motors on the street, how much boost and compress?
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There is a very mild roots blower 440 build going on here.
As it gets closer to being done I’ll get more details, but the blower in this case is more or less just for show. Yes, it will be functional, but what it makes for power is really of no concern. It’s going in a short bed shop truck, and they want it to basically have DD reliability.
It’ll be 8-something compression, reconned 452 heads, mild hyd cam, stock valvetrain. I think they’re shooting for around 5-6lbs or boost. I can’t remember if they have a 6-71 or 8-71....... and not sure what they’re planning on for carbs either.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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