[quote=GY3]So the price is being released all over Facebook today as being $4800.00 through Mancini.

Does anyone else find the "Mopar Tax" ridiculous?!

A Dart Big M BBC retails for $2500.

I get that the demand and sales will never be what it is for a BBC but DOUBLE the price of admission for a decent Mopar block?! [/q2uuote]

You might just have to get over that . I paid close to US$5000.00 for my World iron block 2 years ago . And whilst my eyes watered i knew i didnt want to split another factory block and have a bad result . I race a fair bit and accepted it as the price of my choice , better than US$7000 + for aluminium .
Unless i have a catastrophic failure it should do me out .

Tex

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s sold already......... but I would be surprised if it’s not sold before the new year.

Expensive yes. High horsepower capable yes again. You guys will buy a 50
Year old block and buy a girdle, main caps, 1500.00 worth of machine work and have a block that if pushed hard can and will crack. So like many start over by looking for another 50 year old block. Sure this may or not be needed by everyone but some of us like to push the limits a little and not worry about driving over the crankshaft.

That's the price one pay to be different.

Actually, less than half the price for a Dart Big M if you order one through Jegs.

$2459.......minus $100 for orders over $1599.....minus the NHRA discount if you have one, plus free shipping. Not to mention the state of the art cylinder head choices that are constantly being updated.

So yes, the MOPAR tax is ridiculous, which is why I'm doing a stock AAR Cuda' replica to drive around town in and will do the latest MBE 18* BBC casting in a Velocity Composite carbon fiber 67' Chevy ll to get speeding tickets in.

Says still in production, like they ain’t there yet but they’ll take your up front money.

It's tempting to go the BBC route, pocket the excess money and go faster! Just won't open the hood to show my shame...

I've been helping some racers who run BB Chevy engines. Very easy to make power with the current generation of BB Chevy parts. 572 bracket motor with 24 degree heads will make 1000 hp. All parts are off the shelf and fairly inexpensive. Order the stuff from Summit, put it together and go run high 8's in a door slammer.

If you ever wonder why no one post up Mopar tech anymore on this site look no further than the last few post. Bunch of Chevy “closet queens”.

You know... another situation where the basic law of supply and demand plays a vital roll.

How many companies are forging Chevy blocks, 4 - 5 - 6 ???

Been thinking about putting one of their relatively priced 632's in my Duster.....Bet that would be an upgrade in power...All off the shelf parts, and no fighting to find someone who has them. I will tell you, if it wasn't for 440Source, I would be there already...When you can't buy a block, its over with. I was luck to find my last Hemi one, and that was $6500...

From my experience, the only place you'll save money on the Chevy is the block. Everything else is pretty much the same cost. And most 18 degree (Duke/Chief, not cheap...I usually mess with p/n 1802 they are 2100 a piece ...4200 for a pair of heads, 420 $ for the studs and 2500$ for Jesel stuff.) stuff at 600 cubes usually run 7:30-7:50 at around 180 here in a dragster (pretty sure that's not even 1000hp). Most of the Chevy guys I know will take a stock 454, put 12.5 to one pistons in it and an .800 plus lift roller in their street car. On here we'll worry about weather a lobe will live in this or that application. They Chevy guys just keeps stuffing the biggest everything they can at it (which makes used stuff plentiful and cheap). I would think you can get a Mopar top end in the 6800 (Heads ,rockers, studs) dollar range to go just as quick. I'm with you on the block price but everything is pretty much a wash. Stock block bracket stuff Mopar might even be cheaper . BBC stuff is pretty expensive.

Yes ultimately you can make more power with a canted valve or Hemi. But for the average no box bracket stuff I dont see a ton of Chevys that are below the 9.00 zone in a regular non chassis door car. Seldom do I leave 1st..
Doug

I can tell you in the simple bracket class I race in, a lot of the cars are in the 5's now. Every year they get faster. The Mopar community needs blocks, available....I am pretty sure the build we have in our stock block is pretty much at the limit. I sure hope companies like KB can get it together, Indy figures out how to make a quality product, and World and Callies are in the picture along with Bulldog.

If we get all these companies with blocks on the shelf, life gets good, and maybe so does pricing...The only one with blocks available I know of is Ritter....I would be all over one of those, if there was a Hemi head option...So I am rooting for many of them, and as many know, its not easy to cast or machine a block. Heck there was even rumors of a new 392 G1 Hemi block, but even that has gone and dried up.

So I would like good news this year and less gloom and doom.

Trick Flow sells their 365 Chevy head for $1900 each and their dyno sheet for those heads shows 1071 hp. The BB Mopar 270 head is cheaper at $1400 but the 270 head only makes around 800 hp on a 13:1, solid roller, 505 bracket type engine. If there had been a steady supply of 4.500 bore Mopar blocks then there would probably be cylinder heads for Mopar engines that were optimized for the bigger bore size.

I've been helping some guys put together a BB Mopar that could make 1000 hp NA and it has been a struggle to find parts that will do it. It can be done but it costs a bunch more and it requires working with the right shop. If the Callies block is properly machined then that will be a big step forward. If the average machine shop can just finish hone it and assemble then that will be great. If it ends up being like some of the other stuff on the market then the average machine shop won't be able to make it right and that will put the Mopar guys behind even further.

Most Chevy setups in rails are not using 365 heads (they are actually running better stuff 450+cc). And they are running mid to low 7's at 2100-2300 lbs that ain't 1000hp, so dyno's beware.

For the brackets, put that 800hp 505 wedge in a Daytona (or any good Mopar body in the 22-2500lb range) and let the Chevy's leave first. Most of the Mopar stuff in the lanes still have factory glass,sheetmetal, sub frame connectors/cage ect., They aren't full effort chassis.

I'm with you on the 800hp 505 in the rail though, probably 7.90's best. But this is a 270 head not 572, or B1. Which I would compare to the 18* Chevy(or 20* stuff if you want to really spend some cash 5g's + for just the heads).

I believe it can/is being done (going mid to low 7's in a rail for pretty much the same money, less iron block $ difference) Mopar powered just not as common. Aluminum block is a wash.


My buddy has a Chevy aluminum block set up with 5.00 stroke. Now that block would be nearly 40% off at 4800$. It's all expensive.

Yep and we’ll wonder if we should stick with a stock port window too. The Chevy guys I know would buy these 5k blocks and put the biggest set of Hemi heads they could get on them if they were for Chevys. I’m with you, its expensive, but other than the block its all relatively similar. I’m hoping to save a couple bucks soon for a Callies block, but if its really about the money to some people they should probably be going to turbo builds anyway. If its about style suck it up and buy the block lf you can afford it. Aint nothing cooler than a Gen 2 Hemi and thats why most of us are Mopar guys.

If Trick Flow made a B/RB Mopar head comparable to that 365 Chevy head it wouldn’t sell. Everyone would come on here and ask about it and get told not to buy it because it won’t make power until 11,000 RPM and a block to build enough cubes to use it and not split costs too much. We’d tell them to go build a Big Block Chevy, then complain Mopar guys are cheap so we can’t get good parts.

Also, maybe I’m missing something but Edebrocks Victor Jrs for the G2 flow on par with those TF365s and cost less. Mopar guys do have options, blocks are becoming available and we’re tricking ourselves into not buying them after complaining for 10 years you can’t get blocks?

The $4800 is higher than I hoped, 4250 or less would have been really nice. But buy the things if you can, keep them making them and the price may come down. Buy the Hemi blocks and put huge Hemi heads on them and watch your Chevy friends look at your engine in envy of your huge valve covers. Even a Chevy guy will tell you, aint nothing cooler than a gen 2 Hemi.

Positive news of new Mopar blocks for sure.

The choice of an (Indy) $6,500 aluminum block and almost $5k for a (Callies) cast iron block, has me leaning toward aluminum.
I wish I still had my aluminum KB block from 2014. But it was sold with the car "turnkey".

I have a nice set of B1 original heads that could use a nice 4.500" aluminum block . . .

I have a good friend that is DIE HARD CHEVY! Well he helps a pro mod guy out which is Chevy bodied, but Hemi powered. And I swear deep inside he loves that engine the way he talks about it.

I also had to look up the Indy pricing......I was surprised to see that they are 6500$ ,but hey it is what it is, the BBC Brodix is 5500$ Dart small Ford is 6400$. So right there in the mix. When they were 4800$+ options they were the best deal out there for an aluminum block. When I got mine I don't think my Chevy buddies could get one for that kind of money.

Nothing changes here Hemis forever