Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/25/20 08:54 PM
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You are likely to get differing opinions but I like the factory stuff, especially when it comes to diagnosing (if needed) and availability /cost of parts. get stuck somewhere on a roadie with that MSD and your up schitt creek without a paddle LOL, 6AL's are everywhere in every town. Much more likely to turn one up than you are a Mopar style ECU at a parts store anymore. When you do find one it's an overseas unit that probably won't work very long if at all. Things aren't the same as they were 10 years ago. The things that make the MSD head and shoulders above the Mopar unit is the additonal features. It comes with a rev limiter that you can tailor to your needs and you can plug in things like two steps and timing controllers. I can adjust my timing from the drivers seat.
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 10:31 AM
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MSD and the Mopar units are now made in china, so reliability is down the drain. Either points, or Pertronix would be the choice. Unfortunately I think there is no real way out. Why are Chinese electronics substandard, because they use substandard components. Where are you going to find better components? Most of them are made in China too. So a USA manufactured unit using Chinese components probably wouldn't be any better. I wish someone had the internal schematic for the Mopar ECU, someone handy with electronics could probably improve on it AND dig up quality components. Remember, even back in '72 everything in them was low bid!
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 10:50 AM
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I am going to say go with the GM HEI conversion. The HEI module is more reliable, more powerful, more available and less expensive than any Mopar box. Kind of a win, win, win, win.
Edit:. I see there is another thread where the HEI is slammed so I guess you have to take this suggestion with a grain of salt. Or find some old modules just like you need to do with Mopar ecu's.
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 03:26 PM
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Why are Chinese electronics substandard, because they use substandard components. I wonder if that's true across the board. Many of us can remember when anything from Japan was junk and now they're known for quality. At some point in time they were shamed into improving their products, China might be doing the same...especially when an American company monitors quality control.
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 03:40 PM
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Why are Chinese electronics substandard, because they use substandard components. I wonder if that's true across the board. Many of us can remember when anything from Japan was junk and now they're known for quality. At some point in time they were shamed into improving their products, China might be doing the same...especially when an American company monitors quality control. Japan had Edwards Deming, all China has is cheap labor and thievery. Vietnam and Malaysia have even cheaper labor. 2¢
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 09:08 PM
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You are likely to get differing opinions but I like the factory stuff, especially when it comes to diagnosing (if needed) and availability /cost of parts. get stuck somewhere on a roadie with that MSD and your up schitt creek without a paddle LOL, 6AL's are everywhere in every town. Much more likely to turn one up than you are a Mopar style ECU at a parts store anymore. When you do find one it's an overseas unit that probably won't work very long if at all. Things aren't the same as they were 10 years ago. The things that make the MSD head and shoulders above the Mopar unit is the additonal features. It comes with a rev limiter that you can tailor to your needs and you can plug in things like two steps and timing controllers. I can adjust my timing from the drivers seat. As I stated You are likely to get differing opinions , And I would put 100.00 bet on the availability of a Mopar ECU vs an MSD unit at a parts store in city with a population of less than say 10,000 or even 300,000
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/26/20 09:59 PM
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You are likely to get differing opinions but I like the factory stuff, especially when it comes to diagnosing (if needed) and availability /cost of parts. get stuck somewhere on a roadie with that MSD and your up schitt creek without a paddle LOL, 6AL's are everywhere in every town. Much more likely to turn one up than you are a Mopar style ECU at a parts store anymore. When you do find one it's an overseas unit that probably won't work very long if at all. Things aren't the same as they were 10 years ago. The things that make the MSD head and shoulders above the Mopar unit is the additonal features. It comes with a rev limiter that you can tailor to your needs and you can plug in things like two steps and timing controllers. I can adjust my timing from the drivers seat. As I stated You are likely to get differing opinions , And I would put 100.00 bet on the availability of a Mopar ECU vs an MSD unit at a parts store in city with a population of less than say 10,000 or even 300,000 Keep your money. My hometown is less than 100k. O'reilly has a stock type ECU in stock, Autozone has a 6AL in stock.
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Re: Electronic ignition question
[Re: John_Kunkel]
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12/27/20 02:39 PM
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Why are Chinese electronics substandard, because they use substandard components. I wonder if that's true across the board. Many of us can remember when anything from Japan was junk and now they're known for quality. At some point in time they were shamed into improving their products, China might be doing the same...especially when an American company monitors quality control. John, I wish you were right. My prime example is ignition condensers. Where do you get a quality one today?
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/27/20 09:06 PM
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Why are Chinese electronics substandard, because they use substandard components. I wonder if that's true across the board. Many of us can remember when anything from Japan was junk and now they're known for quality. At some point in time they were shamed into improving their products, China might be doing the same...especially when an American company monitors quality control. John, I wish you were right. My prime example is ignition condensers. Where do you get a quality one today? maybe Accel or old stock on Ebay ?? And keep in mind a lot of our phones, computers and their components, TV's etc. come from ? yep China
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Re: Electronic ignition question
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12/28/20 10:26 AM
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I installed the HEI 4 pin module inside a gutted mopar ECU box. Looks stock and the car fires up much easier than it ever did with the mopar box. I just bought a cheap HEI module from oreillys and it does fine. Now that is thinking outside the box!
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