Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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Do a search on here, someone posted details a while ago. I think they are around the $4K mark. You could contact Energy Manufacturing directly, they'd be able to tell you.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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12/16/20 02:38 PM
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Typically Chrysler throws tooling right in the garbage when they are done with it. The tools to make these blocks cheated death/a licensing fee is being paid to Chrysler for someone else to use the tool and sell the parts. This is a very, very rare situation and we're kind of lucky it's happening. Sure Things could be better, but they could much more easily be worse. I thought it was said to have a Mopar part number on the Callies blocks. Does anybody know if they will be sold over the counter at the Mopar Dealerships? My understanding is: for the licensing deal to happen, the very first step was all the Mopar Performance numbers had to be NS1'd/discontinued. I think they went ahead and did that, just due to the lack of desire to manage anything like that anymore. Although it is possible for NS1 parts to be reinstated (I've seen it twice that I can remember), I'd be really shocked if any of them came back through MP. We would need to draw a line between casting numbers, and part numbers also. I am kind of a Geek so I will be looking for the Dalton foundry mark and the same old P5153843 casting number as in 2008. Unless they changed the insert out on the tool or grind the numbers off the block, there is no reason why the Mopar name or the casting number shouldn't be on the block, even though the Mopar marketing part numbers are gone now.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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For past products, 2008 to 2018/19 era blocks were not produced with GM trans provisions, in spite of some early marketing statements to that effect.
Additional material was cast into them to provide enough meat for the different bolt holes (which I can post pics of later if it is of any help, just let me know), but I was told that the double bolt pattern did not make the conversion any easier due to some other dimensional difference that was not fully taken into account at the time,so the GM bolt pattern was deleted.
There was also a marketing promise of CGI material in late '07, that never made it to fruition. Other than the obvious statements folks have made that it is harder on machine tools, I was never told the exact reasons why that product was discarded and never produced.
Maybe Callies will make variants that Mopar never considered. Something to look forward to.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?
Mark Hey Mark, No, did not know that, thank you for the info. When MP got out of the aluminum block business midstream, that ended my chance of getting my hands on one to check out without buying one. All I know well is MP iron from my time there, and the only thing left from that timeframe is the casting itself. I'm remembering a couple problems we had and things that were changed with the machining during that time, and I hope the current supplier notices those things and takes care of them. Fingers crossed, etc
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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Talked to Callies today. They are shooting for shipments to begin late January. Several blocks have been built by some well know builders and are running. There is a tooling matter that they found and are resolving prior to any shipments. He said there are around 35 on order already both hemi and wedge. Retail on them is 4800 but some dealers are likely to discount them EVENTUALLY but not likely at first due to demand. It does look like these will be sold through SOME dealerships but as a Callies part. They can make as many as they want and Mopar just gets a cut like Zippy said. They also have a shelf full of both Magnum and Magnum billet cranks in popular strokes to go with them as well as the Comp stars. Yea!!!! Todd Great info, thanks for checking with them Todd.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?
Mark Hey Mark, No, did not know that, thank you for the info. When MP got out of the aluminum block business midstream, that ended my chance of getting my hands on one to check out without buying one. All I know well is MP iron from my time there, and the only thing left from that timeframe is the casting itself. I'm remembering a couple problems we had and things that were changed with the machining during that time, and I hope the current supplier notices those things and takes care of them. Fingers crossed, etc FWIW this is from Dec 2008 The block came from FHO. Mark
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.
Having dual bolt patterns on the block is just adding unneeded complexity IMO. Everything needed to put a glide behind a stock style Mopar block is a phone call away.
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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks
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The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.
The safety shields for the PG have been around longer then I can remember. I was going to use a stock case PG in my Daytona since it came with the TCI adapter midplate. But a previous owner cut the midplate out around the starter so it had no starter studs. So I had to buy a JW SFI bellhousing and cut the stock bellhousing off the PG. The builder of the chassis even has a steel band welded around the flexplate area for added protection. But without an SFI tag, it is just added safety; an SFI flexplate shield is still required. (JW meets this)
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