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Mancini Selling Callies Blocks #2860453
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Just got the email from Mancini about the aftermarket production of hemi and wedge blocks from Callies coming soon. Thoughts and anyone know price range?

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Do a search on here, someone posted details a while ago. I think they are around the $4K mark. You could contact Energy Manufacturing directly, they'd be able to tell you.


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Ok thanks I figured I was late to the game lol

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I thought it was said to have a Mopar part number on the Callies blocks. Does anybody know if they will be sold over the counter at the Mopar Dealerships?

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They are supposed to be in the 4500 range and sold through the Callies network. I have not heard anything about them being sold through Mopar Performance but I will ask tomorrow and report back my findings.
Todd

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Typically Chrysler throws tooling right in the garbage when they are done with it.

The tools to make these blocks cheated death/a licensing fee is being paid to Chrysler for someone else to use the tool and sell the parts.

This is a very, very rare situation and we're kind of lucky it's happening.
Sure Things could be better, but they could much more easily be worse.

Originally Posted by maximus
I thought it was said to have a Mopar part number on the Callies blocks. Does anybody know if they will be sold over the counter at the Mopar Dealerships?


My understanding is: for the licensing deal to happen, the very first step was all the Mopar Performance numbers had to be NS1'd/discontinued.

I think they went ahead and did that, just due to the lack of desire to manage anything like that anymore.
Although it is possible for NS1 parts to be reinstated (I've seen it twice that I can remember),
I'd be really shocked if any of them came back through MP.

We would need to draw a line between casting numbers, and part numbers also.

I am kind of a Geek so I will be looking for the Dalton foundry mark and the same old P5153843 casting number as in 2008.
Unless they changed the insert out on the tool or grind the numbers off the block, there is no reason why
the Mopar name or the casting number shouldn't be on the block, even though the Mopar marketing part numbers are gone now.





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Re: Mancini Selling Callies Blocks [Re: ZIPPY] #2860836
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Part Number is on the new blocks - along with the MOPAR logo - just the box now says "official licensed product" MOPAR seems to be licensing everything these days - heck Pro-Form has the their direct from china mini starter labeled up with MOPAR - Licensing is practically free cash for MOPAR

I am glad for the new blocks coming out - letting the aftermarket control them is the best path forward

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Agreed, it's probably best someone who cares manages the blocks.


off topic a bit, haven't heard any good about the Proform licensed distributors, though. (Link)


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Question?
Do these Callies MOPAR blocks (a.k.a. World type) have both the Chrysler and GM transmission bolt patterns on the back?
And is there any way to use a Chevy type starter mounted to the bottom of the block when using a "stock" Powerglide? Or is the starter "problematic" when using the GM trans.
This picture's method of using the MOPAR location? (and I imagine a midplate that has studs for the starter), is crude; and a lot of metal removal from the stock case.

PG_starter_clearance-small.jpg

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For past products, 2008 to 2018/19 era blocks were not produced with GM trans provisions, in spite of some early marketing statements to that effect.

Additional material was cast into them to provide enough meat for the different bolt holes (which I can post pics of later if it is of any help, just let me know),
but I was told that the double bolt pattern did not make the conversion any easier due to some other dimensional difference
that was not fully taken into account at the time,so the GM bolt pattern was deleted.

There was also a marketing promise of CGI material in late '07, that never made it to fruition. Other than the obvious statements
folks have made that it is harder on machine tools,
I was never told the exact reasons why that product was discarded and never produced.

Maybe Callies will make variants that Mopar never considered. Something to look forward to.


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Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?



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Talked to Callies today. They are shooting for shipments to begin late January. Several blocks have been built by some well know builders and are running. There is a tooling matter that they found and are resolving prior to any shipments. He said there are around 35 on order already both hemi and wedge. Retail on them is 4800 but some dealers are likely to discount them EVENTUALLY but not likely at first due to demand. It does look like these will be sold through SOME dealerships but as a Callies part. They can make as many as they want and Mopar just gets a cut like Zippy said. They also have a shelf full of both Magnum and Magnum billet cranks in popular strokes to go with them as well as the Comp stars. Yea!!!! Todd

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I talked to one of the Mopar engine builders who had an early Callies block and he said it had issues. So hopefully those early issues get resolved before the train leaves the station. It would be great if Callies is able to provide a properly machined block at a decent price. A lot of guys would able to step up to 900-1200 hp engines if they had a good block. The rest of the parts are available to build 1000 hp big blocks, just need a good foundation.

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Originally Posted by Hemi Allstate
Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?



Mark


Hey Mark,

No, did not know that, thank you for the info.

When MP got out of the aluminum block business midstream, that ended my chance of getting my hands
on one to check out without buying one.

All I know well is MP iron from my time there, and the only thing
left from that timeframe is the casting itself.

I'm remembering a couple problems we had and things that were changed with the machining
during that time, and I hope the current supplier notices those things and takes care of them.

Fingers crossed, etc










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Originally Posted by sasquatch
Talked to Callies today. They are shooting for shipments to begin late January. Several blocks have been built by some well know builders and are running. There is a tooling matter that they found and are resolving prior to any shipments. He said there are around 35 on order already both hemi and wedge. Retail on them is 4800 but some dealers are likely to discount them EVENTUALLY but not likely at first due to demand. It does look like these will be sold through SOME dealerships but as a Callies part. They can make as many as they want and Mopar just gets a cut like Zippy said. They also have a shelf full of both Magnum and Magnum billet cranks in popular strokes to go with them as well as the Comp stars. Yea!!!! Todd


Great info, thanks for checking with them Todd.


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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by Hemi Allstate
Rich , you do know that the aluminum World blocks got the dual pattern right ?



Mark


Hey Mark,

No, did not know that, thank you for the info.

When MP got out of the aluminum block business midstream, that ended my chance of getting my hands
on one to check out without buying one.

All I know well is MP iron from my time there, and the only thing
left from that timeframe is the casting itself.

I'm remembering a couple problems we had and things that were changed with the machining
during that time, and I hope the current supplier notices those things and takes care of them.

Fingers crossed, etc

FWIW this is from Dec 2008
The block came from FHO.

Mark











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The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer

The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.

iagree Having dual bolt patterns on the block is just adding unneeded complexity IMO. Everything needed to put a glide behind a stock style Mopar block is a phone call away.


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer

The dual Mopar powerglide pattern isn’t that big of a deal now. ATI and others offer some great products and in seconds you can switch your ATI case to powerglide, small block Mopar, or big block Mopar. If you are building any power you are pushing a stock 50 year old powerglide case so why not build some safety into your race program.

The safety shields for the PG have been around longer then I can remember.
I was going to use a stock case PG in my Daytona since it came with the TCI adapter midplate. But a previous owner cut the midplate out around the starter so it had no starter studs. So I had to buy a JW SFI bellhousing and cut the stock bellhousing off the PG.

The builder of the chassis even has a steel band welded around the flexplate area for added protection. But without an SFI tag, it is just added safety; an SFI flexplate shield is still required. (JW meets this)

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