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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860690
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https://www.skspeed.com/msd-9254-ig...distributor-wires-coil-chrysler-273-360/ is the kit I got and the cheapest I've found. Only bad part is it doesn't come with a crank trigger kit. It works well for the money, wired right into all my stuff. Really fought back and forth with either the Grid or the programmable 6. If I was going crazy with my motor or messing with a two step a lot, I would have gone with the Grid. For all I need, even with nitrous, the programmable 6 works just fine. The MSD 7 is a good box, but I've had to repair way too many through the years and fight with some crazy cut and spliced in stuff to go with the 7. If you do decide to go with any programmable, make sure it's mounted somewhere you can get to it easily to plug into and a laptop with a serial port to make life easy.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: tabletop390] #2860706
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Originally Posted by tabletop390
https://www.skspeed.com/msd-9254-ig...distributor-wires-coil-chrysler-273-360/ is the kit I got and the cheapest I've found. Only bad part is it doesn't come with a crank trigger kit. It works well for the money, wired right into all my stuff. Really fought back and forth with either the Grid or the programmable 6. If I was going crazy with my motor or messing with a two step a lot, I would have gone with the Grid. For all I need, even with nitrous, the programmable 6 works just fine. The MSD 7 is a good box, but I've had to repair way too many through the years and fight with some crazy cut and spliced in stuff to go with the 7. If you do decide to go with any programmable, make sure it's mounted somewhere you can get to it easily to plug into and a laptop with a serial port to make life easy.




iagree The grid is nice, but for what I plan on doing...the 6530 should be fine for me.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2860733
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Most are spraying one big kit and using a progressive to control it. Less complicated than multiple systems.


That's where I'm leaning - progressive bc i believe it will be easier to control in a grudge race

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2860740
12/16/20 01:24 PM
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On your engine I would talk to Brett Miller if you want big power
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2860772
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: n20mstr] #2860783
12/16/20 02:21 PM
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I have the Holley for my injection but its the V4... I might have to update to the V6
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: n20mstr] #2860915
12/16/20 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by n20mstr
Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.


Which Holley ECU are you referring to ?


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: GY3] #2860943
12/16/20 06:20 PM
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For what he is doing I imagine it is a Dominator ECU.

In 2015 I ran my MS3 EFI ECU for my ignition but still ran a carb. Got lots of strange looks and lots of questions about coil on plug with a carb.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: n20mstr] #2861006
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Originally Posted by n20mstr
Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.


I have to admit I need to do some better research abs the reason why I asked before I bought anything. This is some great info!

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: GY3] #2861044
12/16/20 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by n20mstr
Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.


Which Holley ECU are you referring to ?


Yes holley dominator ECU . I have coil on plug . And since you can progress 8’stages , I’m progressing nitrous and fuel independently. This allowed me to get rid of the early leannspike and picked up the 60’


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2861046
12/16/20 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lostdog
Originally Posted by n20mstr
Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.


I have to admit I need to do some better research abs the reason why I asked before I bought anything. This is some great info!


It might seem like a big investment at first , but you don’t need a data logger ( at least 900.00 ) or a good progressive controller (500.00 to 2000.00) so you getting both of those along with a great ignition and the ability to update to fuel inj later


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2861276
12/17/20 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lostdog
I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake

This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster

Thanks !


I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Mopar_Rich] #2861431
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Rich
Originally Posted by lostdog
I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake

This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster

Thanks !


I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day.


n20mstr was kind enough to give me some info through messenger and I gotta say the technology being applied to these systems is more involved and intimating than I imagined. I will sure check out your social media !

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2861477
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Originally Posted by lostdog
Originally Posted by Mopar_Rich
Originally Posted by lostdog
I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake

This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster

Thanks !


I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day.


n20mstr was kind enough to give me some info through messenger and I gotta say the technology being applied to these systems is more involved and intimating than I imagined. I will sure check out your social media !


It’s a lot of technology but it’s user friendly . I can do it anyone can!


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: n20mstr] #2861574
12/18/20 12:07 AM
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I would look into ICE Ignition, they are made in Austalia but bad ass for sure.

https://www.iceignition.com/

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Biginchmopar] #2861666
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If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control.

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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: sr4440] #2861678
12/18/20 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by sr4440
If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control.


I am a big MS3 fan myself. I have run one of the DIYAutotune kits that required assembly(MS3X) for 5 years now and it has been awesome. I like the look of the Holley stuff and the software seems pretty nice but I have thousands of dollars less into this than I would have spent for a Dominator ECU.


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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: sr4440] #2861995
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Originally Posted by sr4440
If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control.


Thank you for this !

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: Bad340fish] #2861996
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Originally Posted by sr4440
If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control.


I am a big MS3 fan myself. I have run one of the DIYAutotune kits that required assembly(MS3X) for 5 years now and it has been awesome. I like the look of the Holley stuff and the software seems pretty nice but I have thousands of dollars less into this than I would have spent for a Dominator ECU.

Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition [Re: lostdog] #2863520
12/22/20 07:13 PM
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Just chiming in with everyone else. From scratch carbs, with power adder, I'd do the msd CNP with a grid controller for the brain. No more cap, rotor and phase issues. Jerk as much timing as you please without any concern of lighting the wrong hole. Also selectable ignition energy output from just over normal grid to just over 600 mj. That system will light anything you put on it.

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