Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: tabletop390]
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12/16/20 12:24 PM
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https://www.skspeed.com/msd-9254-ig...distributor-wires-coil-chrysler-273-360/ is the kit I got and the cheapest I've found. Only bad part is it doesn't come with a crank trigger kit. It works well for the money, wired right into all my stuff. Really fought back and forth with either the Grid or the programmable 6. If I was going crazy with my motor or messing with a two step a lot, I would have gone with the Grid. For all I need, even with nitrous, the programmable 6 works just fine. The MSD 7 is a good box, but I've had to repair way too many through the years and fight with some crazy cut and spliced in stuff to go with the 7. If you do decide to go with any programmable, make sure it's mounted somewhere you can get to it easily to plug into and a laptop with a serial port to make life easy. The grid is nice, but for what I plan on doing...the 6530 should be fine for me.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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12/16/20 01:09 PM
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Most are spraying one big kit and using a progressive to control it. Less complicated than multiple systems. That's where I'm leaning - progressive bc i believe it will be easier to control in a grudge race
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/16/20 02:12 PM
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it.
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/16/20 05:14 PM
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it. Which Holley ECU are you referring to ?
'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/16/20 06:20 PM
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Bad340fish
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For what he is doing I imagine it is a Dominator ECU.
In 2015 I ran my MS3 EFI ECU for my ignition but still ran a carb. Got lots of strange looks and lots of questions about coil on plug with a carb.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: n20mstr]
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12/16/20 08:54 PM
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it. I have to admit I need to do some better research abs the reason why I asked before I bought anything. This is some great info!
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: GY3]
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12/16/20 09:57 PM
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it. Which Holley ECU are you referring to ? Yes holley dominator ECU . I have coil on plug . And since you can progress 8’stages , I’m progressing nitrous and fuel independently. This allowed me to get rid of the early leannspike and picked up the 60’
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: lostdog]
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12/16/20 10:00 PM
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Monte Smith told me years ago to use a Holley Ecu. Even with a Carb. and now thats what i have. IF you think about it the Holley ECU you can use coil on plug, and have data logging as well as a great nitrous controller. The possiblities really are endless. You can control anything and with a nitrous car on the street you will want a lot of control. You can program dump valves and have crazy accurate control over timing with no fear of rotor phase etc. ITs the best you can get, and it condenses everthing into one unit. No seperate nitrous controller, data logger and ignition. PLUS you get free software updates from Holley. The new V6 has some awsome features for nitrous contol and the dump valves. Take a look and youll see how in th long run it will be way worth it. I have to admit I need to do some better research abs the reason why I asked before I bought anything. This is some great info! It might seem like a big investment at first , but you don’t need a data logger ( at least 900.00 ) or a good progressive controller (500.00 to 2000.00) so you getting both of those along with a great ignition and the ability to update to fuel inj later
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/17/20 12:57 PM
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I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake
This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster
Thanks ! I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day.
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/17/20 06:38 PM
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I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake
This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster
Thanks ! I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day. n20mstr was kind enough to give me some info through messenger and I gotta say the technology being applied to these systems is more involved and intimating than I imagined. I will sure check out your social media !
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: lostdog]
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12/17/20 08:28 PM
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I don't have anything so I will need a complete compatible system so I am looking for recommendations on distributor, ignition module, wires etc. Also, I will be using a transbrake
This is a street/grudge race '70 Duster
Thanks ! I can answer all your questions and provide you with whatever you want. The Holley is the best system to use today for the reasons already stated. I remote tune cars every day, literally, (I tune on four different systems), and the Holley usually comes out on top without adding third party products. Check out my website fastmanefi.com and for sure if you're on Facebook, because that's where I post my recent tunes almost every day. n20mstr was kind enough to give me some info through messenger and I gotta say the technology being applied to these systems is more involved and intimating than I imagined. I will sure check out your social media ! It’s a lot of technology but it’s user friendly . I can do it anyone can!
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/18/20 11:13 AM
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If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control.
Last edited by sr4440; 12/18/20 11:32 AM.
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/18/20 11:50 AM
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If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control. I am a big MS3 fan myself. I have run one of the DIYAutotune kits that required assembly(MS3X) for 5 years now and it has been awesome. I like the look of the Holley stuff and the software seems pretty nice but I have thousands of dollars less into this than I would have spent for a Dominator ECU.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
[Re: sr4440]
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12/18/20 11:45 PM
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If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control. Thank you for this !
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Re: Starting from zero - building small block stroker ignition
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12/18/20 11:46 PM
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If I was building a grudge car this is the one box I would use, It would replace your ignition box, 2/3 step, launch retard, your delay box, your bump box, your boost controller, your nitrous controller (wet or dry) allows you to run duel fuel with a cheap GM sensor. Oh and it’s a killer data recorder, if you need a gauges/dash then a $125 android tablet. I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but one thing for sure it has a steep learning curve. Oh one more thing, it has traction control. I am a big MS3 fan myself. I have run one of the DIYAutotune kits that required assembly(MS3X) for 5 years now and it has been awesome. I like the look of the Holley stuff and the software seems pretty nice but I have thousands of dollars less into this than I would have spent for a Dominator ECU.
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