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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: RAMM] #2858736
12/11/20 09:09 PM
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Well done...congrats


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: fast68plymouth] #2858831
12/12/20 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Thread derailment!!

In reference to Transmans post about the carb tuning and bsfc.
It’s not a good idea........ since its not directly indicative of whether or not the carb is rich or lean.

Bsfc is an efficiency reading...... the result of measured power vs fuel consumed.
Nowhere is the ratio of air to fuel referenced to arrive at a bsfc number.

Sure.......”generally” high bsfc numbers track with rich a/f ratios, but they don’t always.

I have tested a number of motors through the years that really didn’t like lean mixtures.
You’d richen them up....... a/f ratio reading would confirm....... motor would make a big move in inscreased power....... bsfc would go down.

What high bsfc numbers are really telling you is....... you’re not making good power for the amount of fuel you’re using.

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Just ran a 520 inch BB Ford on the dyno the other day. This is a street motor for a pickup truck. Low compression, small cam type of motor. It made 450 hp and used 300 lbs/hr at WOT. Worst BSFC I've ever seen on the dyno. Engine ran nice and smooth. Sounded great, had a ton of vacuum at idle. Owner will be happy with all the torque but I don't think he will be happy with his gas bill!

Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: AndyF] #2859327
12/13/20 12:28 PM
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Quick video of the air cleaner pull. J.Rob

572 Hemi Air Cleaner Pull


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: RAMM] #2859375
12/13/20 01:42 PM
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Just out of curiosity, how would that type build respond to a good single plane intake? Either a big single or 2 - 4's.

Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: RAMM] #2859394
12/13/20 02:06 PM
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Did the motor like or hate those air cleaners?
I've seen both results depending on the air cleaners used shruggy


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: RAMM] #2859433
12/13/20 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RAMM
Quick video of the air cleaner pull. J.Rob

572 Hemi Air Cleaner Pull


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: Cab_Burge] #2859572
12/13/20 08:50 PM
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Not sure but it was 734HP without and 718HP with the air cleaners. J.Rob


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: justinp61] #2859573
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On another thread I read that a single would be worth 30-40HP which seems reasonable. J.Rob


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: RAMM] #2859652
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16 HP loss with the littles one whiney
I saw a 20 HP increase on a 470 C.I. 440 motor with a tunnel ram with 2 750 CFM Jet prep Holley double pumpers going from no air cleaner to running two 9 inch tall velocity stacks with 10 x3 inch air cleaners mounted on the top of the stacks boogie
The dyno operator said no way it would make more power with air cleaners on before that pull but the engine owner would not race it with them so we went ahead and tested them anyways and found out the dyno operator was wrong shruggy grin


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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: Cab_Burge] #2860321
12/15/20 02:49 PM
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if such a thing were available, would a 12 [or 14] by xx long by 3 or 4" tall single element [think inline hemi factory style element] hurt or hinder, compared to two 10x3" air filters ?
would there be too much turbulent air between the carb throats for an engine that big using such a filter element ?
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Re: 572 Hemi Saga [Re: moparx] #2860473
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I've stack two stock type Fram 6 pack air cleaners elements on one of my dyno testing session, two was better than one but both lost HP compare to no elements on that motor, that was on my old pump gas 511 C.I. 400 stroker motor with the Eddy low deck six pack set up on it shruggy
Running the air cleaner base made more power than not running it also shruggy


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