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72 duster rear bumper on a 74 duster? #2857738
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In doing this 74 duster my customer would like to eliminate the 74 filler piece between the rear bumper and the body. My thought was can we install a 72 duster bumper on a 74 if we use 72 style brackets? I know have seen 74 dusters without that filler strip as well as without the bumper guards.

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You can but then you would need to use 72 1/4's or make up metal and do bodywork to your 74 1/4's.
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I did just that on the '74 I had.
It had the shocks, so the brackets weren't an exact fit.
I fabbed essentially a huge washer and bolted through it and the rear body panel.

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Originally Posted by RJS
You can but then you would need to use 72 1/4's or make up metal and do bodywork to your 74 1/4's.
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The quarters are the same 72-76 though. not sure what you are referring to.


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thanks steve. I knew I had seen others before. any pics by chance?


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Re: 72 duster rear bumper on a 74 duster? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #2858088
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Originally Posted by hotairballoonpilot
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You can but then you would need to use 72 1/4's or make up metal and do bodywork to your 74 1/4's.
Ron


The quarters are the same 72-76 though. not sure what you are referring to.


No they aren't, 70-72 1/4's at the very end curve and slide under the side of the bumper. 73 and up just stop and fold so the flexible bumper filler can be attached and fill up all that space. Did this modification 20+ years ago on my 74 Dart Sport when I eliminated the extended bumpers.
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The quarters on my Duster weren't a problem, didn't have to do anything to them.
I do recall the quarter contour being different, but not a deal-breaker compared to being rid of the battering ram.
The car was already painted and I wasn't about to re-do that.
I didn't take any photos, sorry, but mocked it up & installed it by myself.

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Originally Posted by topside
I did just that on the '74 I had.
It had the shocks, so the brackets weren't an exact fit.
I fabbed essentially a huge washer and bolted through it and the rear body panel.


So if we stand at the side of your 1/4 panel where it meets the side of the bumper you would have an opening which is incorrect.
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It's clear as day what I'm trying to convey to you, you can see it on my Dart Sport and this black Duster. If you choose to ignore what I'm saying you'll only have it looking partially right.
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^^^ Yes. Still better than the battering ram, and the car was actually non-#s with incorrect bigger wheels & tires & exhaust system.
Never heard one complaint.

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Originally Posted by RJS
It's clear as day what I'm trying to convey to you, you can see it on my Dart Sport and this black Duster. If you choose to ignore what I'm saying you'll only have it looking partially right.
Ron


http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-...2-76-duster-73-76-dart-sport-p-1056.html

So AMD is wrong in listing the 72-76 full quarters for dusters and dart sports? I get what you are saying but must not be a very big issue?


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Originally Posted by hotairballoonpilot
Originally Posted by RJS
It's clear as day what I'm trying to convey to you, you can see it on my Dart Sport and this black Duster. If you choose to ignore what I'm saying you'll only have it looking partially right.
Ron


http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-...2-76-duster-73-76-dart-sport-p-1056.html

So AMD is wrong in listing the 72-76 full quarters for dusters and dart sports? I get what you are saying but must not be a very big issue?


Since you are trying so hard to be right why does AMD show the 1/4's to be 72-76 for a Duster and 73-76 for a dart Sport??? Same exact 1/4 panel whether Dodge or Plymouth! Also they use a picture for a 72 Duster/Dart Sport that explains exactly what I'm trying to help you with but you don't want to see it??????

There is right/correct and there is wrong/partial/backyard type work. Which would you rather be driving???

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Anyone have a pic of metal work that is needed?


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Originally Posted by RJS
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It's clear as day what I'm trying to convey to you, you can see it on my Dart Sport and this black Duster. If you choose to ignore what I'm saying you'll only have it looking partially right.
Ron


http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-...2-76-duster-73-76-dart-sport-p-1056.html

So AMD is wrong in listing the 72-76 full quarters for dusters and dart sports? I get what you are saying but must not be a very big issue?


Since you are trying so hard to be right why does AMD show the 1/4's to be 72-76 for a Duster and 73-76 for a dart Sport??? Same exact 1/4 panel whether Dodge or Plymouth! Also they use a picture for a 72 Duster/Dart Sport that explains exactly what I'm trying to help you with but you don't want to see it??????

There is right/correct and there is wrong/partial/backyard type work. Which would you rather be driving???

Ron

Dude not sure what I am doing but in no way trying to crap on what you are saying. Sorry to upset you. I am just trying to ask the question. Yes I do see what you are saying and had seen what you are saying. I am just throwing it out there what AMD lists the quarters as. Obviously that is the only difference between the years. Funny AMD lists the trunk drop offs as the same from 70 up but obviously there is needed reshaping. When I installed the drop offs on this car from AMD and put the NOS quarters on it I really didn't have to do anything to make the quarters fit the drop offs and the NOS quarters don't have the extended piece of metal like you show in the picture. Again not trying to crap on your post but just throwing it all out there what info I have seen and trying to get the most out of my original question.
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Re: 72 duster rear bumper on a 74 duster? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #2858634
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as seen in these pics. again just trying to educate myself as best as possible as I know people have done this before. Pics show qrt in NOS red oxide primer. I stripped that off and put black PPG DP90LV epoxy on them before I final installed them.

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some one must really love that year of duster with all the work you did. my gosh!!

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The difference early vs late is the "return" that extends behind the early bumper vs the 90-degree flange for the late fillers.
I would think that the drop-offs differ as well, the early being longer for the return to weld to.
Seems that if you want the return (no gap), a pair of lower patch panels would provide the metal to be added.

I've found that parts catalogs are not absolutely accurate as far as application & usage.
Sometimes WAY off !

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Originally Posted by superbee69
some one must really love that year of duster with all the work you did. my gosh!!


Yes the owner does. It was his high school car he bought when he was 15 when the car was a couple years old. He dated his would be wife in it.. He back in the mid 80's before our great searching by internet tracked the car down. He knew the car was traded into a dealership in Howard SD. He knew the last portion of the VIN. Went and talked with the dealership and asked them if they remember selling a yellow 74 duster. They naturally did not recall it. HE asked to look through the sales books and looked at every 74 duster they ever sold until he came across it. Sure enough as soon as they seen who bought it they remembered it right away as the buyer spun the tires leaving the lot and threw a rock into the show room window busting it out. He learned the buyer lived in Mitchell SD so he went there going through the white pages calling everyone with that last name as that was all he had to go on. Sure enough located the owner's relative that said they remember the car and that they worked at the truck stop. Went there and talked with them. They told him they gave it to a local mechanic shop cause the bill against the car they could not afford. He called that shop and sure enough they still had it and were willing to sell it for what they had against it which was 600 bucks. He bought it back and kept it all these years. At the same time he was a mechanic at the dealership my dad and him worked at in Sioux Falls. Chrysler was selling off a bunch of old sheet metal so he bought quarters,door skins,fenders,hood,upper radiator tie bar and front stone guard thinking someday he would like to fix it up. Fast forward to 2019. He has an AAR cuda that is all original except for a repaint in the 80's. He asked me about restoring the Cuda. My reply was no it was to original and nice. SO his wife said if we aren't going to do the cuda then do the duster. He told her it would be easier to clone the car than fix it up and her reply was if you clone it I don't want to know. Needless to say I am making him one heck of a deal since I have memories back when he got it crawling around in it when I would go spend saturday's with dad when he was working at the shop. I would never do this for just anyone and no way the car will ever be sold out of his family.


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Cory all I was trying to do was give a full and accurate answer to your question. After I did that it seems you didn't understand or care to have the proper end on the 1/4 which would extend under the side of the bumper and properly finish the 1/4.

When I provide help I only do so when I have the whole answer to question. If you rather not do it to factory that's fine with me, not my car.
That's all I was trying to convey for this entire post.

If the question was how do you replace an intake manifold on a 440 I would give you all the details including putting all the various brackets back on that are for the throttle spring and throttle cable not just say remove 8 bolts remove old manifold, put on new and install 8 bolts etc...

All good by me

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