Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Can anyone suggest a manufacture, grind or stock number for a cam?
I am looking for a hydraulic roller with at least .240 @050
Thanks ! What heads are you planning to run. Gonna be tough to get a true 600 horse with a 240 cam. I would go flat tappet or roller
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Can anyone suggest a manufacture, grind or stock number for a cam?
I am looking for a hydraulic roller with at least .240 @050
Thanks ! What heads are you planning to run. Gonna be tough to get a true 600 horse with a 240 cam. I would go flat tappet or roller I used the reference of at least .240 bc that's what I have been reading.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I am certain someone out there can grind you a cam to fit YOUR needs. That is why i want to push for a custom cam in your case. Looking for 600 hp is going to require some decent rpm, 6500+. My thinking is, why not go with a solid roller with lobes designed for endurance, and the duration, lift and LSA all spec'd to YOUR combo? Shelf cams are meant to do OK across a large variety of combos and sizes and are more of a compromize than i personally would want to put into a build that is going to cost $8000+? For a few $$ more, get the best brain for your beast!
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I am certain someone out there can grind you a cam to fit YOUR needs. That is why i want to push for a custom cam in your case. Looking for 600 hp is going to require some decent rpm, 6500+. My thinking is, why not go with a solid roller with lobes designed for endurance, and the duration, lift and LSA all spec'd to YOUR combo? Shelf cams are meant to do OK across a large variety of combos and sizes and are more of a compromize than i personally would want to put into a build that is going to cost $8000+? For a few $$ more, get the best brain for your beast! I'm not ruling that out but bc this is going to be a street/grudge race engine I want to stay with the hydraulic roller but I am not ruling anything out.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I used the reference of at least .240 bc that's what I have been reading.
Small detail but no decimal
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Most hyd rollers are done by 5800 good luck making 600 hp. I would think to get any real answers you need to provide more info. Heads comp ratio etc. Go on any reputable cam manufacturer web site. They have a form you can fill out and they will recommend you a cam. I'd put a solid ft or solid roller in and rev it up to 6500,7000
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Yeah that is going to take a heck of an engine combo to make 600 hp from a SB Mopar with a hyd roller cam. I did a 427 inch SB a few years back with ported Edelbrock heads. We used a small hyd roller since it was a street driven road race car. The cam was 236@050 and it made 520 hp. That engine might have made 600 hp with a bigger solid roller but I don't think even the biggest hyd roller would have made 600 hp. Maybe it would've, we never bothered to test it.
These days there are better heads available than what we were using so if you have a really good cylinder head you might be able to get there. Good luck, I think it will take some time and money. I'm shooting for as close as I can get not because I am dead set on a 600hp bragging right, but because I figure that's what it will take to get me down into the 10's in an all steel '70 Duster . I plan on using the trick flow 190's and sticking with traditional LA valvetrain elements. If I have to go with a solid I may consider that too.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Yeah that is going to take a heck of an engine combo to make 600 hp from a SB Mopar with a hyd roller cam. I did a 427 inch SB a few years back with ported Edelbrock heads. We used a small hyd roller since it was a street driven road race car. The cam was 236@050 and it made 520 hp. That engine might have made 600 hp with a bigger solid roller but I don't think even the biggest hyd roller would have made 600 hp. Maybe it would've, we never bothered to test it.
These days there are better heads available than what we were using so if you have a really good cylinder head you might be able to get there. Good luck, I think it will take some time and money. I'm shooting for as close as I can get not because I am dead set on a 600hp bragging right, but because I figure that's what it will take to get me down into the 10's in an all steel '70 Duster . I plan on using the trick flow 190's and sticking with traditional LA valvetrain elements. If I have to go with a solid I may consider that too. i would use a better head
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I used the reference of at least .240 bc that's what I have been reading.
Small detail but no decimal Maybe so and that's what I am trying to find out
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Can anyone suggest a manufacture, grind or stock number for a cam?
I am looking for a hydraulic roller with at least .240 @050
Thanks ! That's about 1.45 HP per cube. What Fuel and what Comp? Qwkmopardan seems to be making a lot more than that with a solid ft and 13-1 comp with ported stockers from memory. I would look at going custom at that level. Not exactly easy but not impossible by any means.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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My 416 has ported W2s and a 273@.050 and .704 solid roller. Its 10:1 and runs and races on 91 octane. Its been 10.61@125.1 @3630lbs just recently. According to Wallace it still falls short of 600HP.
I have fought the 60ft a little recently and I think it can go 10.40s if I get that back and get some better air. It has been 1.411 60ft in the past and my best recently has been 1.48 with some spin.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Good for you!
I always question folks that want xxx hp, when clearly they don't have an actual performance goal for the car. And that seems to be the majority these days.
And, I have no answer to your question, but will offer the following to maybe help you back into the needed HP, and cam needs.
You're in Mississippi, elevation probably helps, but do you want to run 10.80s in August at 100° F and 100% humidity, or is a 10. 95 good enough in December?
Street car? How good is the suspension and what is a realistic 60ft time?
What will be the actual race weight?
Answers to these questions could mean the difference between needing 525 HP, and 600 HP., IMO. Just something to think about.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Yeah that is going to take a heck of an engine combo to make 600 hp from a SB Mopar with a hyd roller cam. I did a 427 inch SB a few years back with ported Edelbrock heads. We used a small hyd roller since it was a street driven road race car. The cam was 236@050 and it made 520 hp. That engine might have made 600 hp with a bigger solid roller but I don't think even the biggest hyd roller would have made 600 hp. Maybe it would've, we never bothered to test it.
These days there are better heads available than what we were using so if you have a really good cylinder head you might be able to get there. Good luck, I think it will take some time and money. I'm shooting for as close as I can get not because I am dead set on a 600hp bragging right, but because I figure that's what it will take to get me down into the 10's in an all steel '70 Duster . I plan on using the trick flow 190's and sticking with traditional LA valvetrain elements. If I have to go with a solid I may consider that too. Wont take anywhere remotely close to 600 horse to get a 70 Duster in the 10’s. Any ported eddie head or trick flow head with a good solid cam, convertor, etc, will get into the 10’s without breaking a sweat on a stroker shortblock. I wouldnt even consider a hydraulic roller cam for such a combo. Would be my last choice.
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I am certain someone out there can grind you a cam to fit YOUR needs. That is why i want to push for a custom cam in your case. Looking for 600 hp is going to require some decent rpm, 6500+. My thinking is, why not go with a solid roller with lobes designed for endurance, and the duration, lift and LSA all spec'd to YOUR combo? Shelf cams are meant to do OK across a large variety of combos and sizes and are more of a compromize than i personally would want to put into a build that is going to cost $8000+? For a few $$ more, get the best brain for your beast! I'm not ruling that out but bc this is going to be a street/grudge race engine I want to stay with the hydraulic roller but I am not ruling anything out. Another post for your engine would really help you pick out a decent combo to meet your goals. Example; "Help me build a 600 hp stroker smallblock" then list what you have for parts now, what manners you want, budget and what you are willing to compromize on. Guys want to help, so post it👍
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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Good for you!
I always question folks that want xxx hp, when clearly they don't have an actual performance goal for the car. And that seems to be the majority these days.
And, I have no answer to your question, but will offer the following to maybe help you back into the needed HP, and cam needs.
You're in Mississippi, elevation probably helps, but do you want to run 10.80s in August at 100° F and 100% humidity, or is a 10. 95 good enough in December?
Street car? How good is the suspension and what is a realistic 60ft time?
What will be the actual race weight?
Answers to these questions could mean the difference between needing 525 HP, and 600 HP., IMO. Just something to think about. I agree with you. I just known if I’m not in the mid 10’s I might as well stay home. At my age I am not interested In grudge racing in the summer. The car is full metal and glass, will have frame connectors, upgrade leaf springs and moved inward mini tubs and 10.5 tire, adjustable rear shocks /6 torsion bars,
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Re: 600hp target 408 / 416 stroker off the shelf cam
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I am certain someone out there can grind you a cam to fit YOUR needs. That is why i want to push for a custom cam in your case. Looking for 600 hp is going to require some decent rpm, 6500+. My thinking is, why not go with a solid roller with lobes designed for endurance, and the duration, lift and LSA all spec'd to YOUR combo? Shelf cams are meant to do OK across a large variety of combos and sizes and are more of a compromize than i personally would want to put into a build that is going to cost $8000+? For a few $$ more, get the best brain for your beast! I'm not ruling that out but bc this is going to be a street/grudge race engine I want to stay with the hydraulic roller but I am not ruling anything out. Another post for your engine would really help you pick out a decent combo to meet your goals. Example; "Help me build a 600 hp stroker smallblock" then list what you have for parts now, what manners you want, budget and what you are willing to compromize on. Guys want to help, so post it👍 You’re right. Maybe I should start over. I’m hoping I don’t ha r to spend more than $12,000
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