Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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I seem to be rebuilding carbs and replacing fuel pumps a lot more regularly since New Jersey went to Ethanol gas. Everything from lawn mowers to my six pack cars. Is there a good fuel additive that can combat the negative affects of ethanol?
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Do you have any stations near you that sell 0% ethanol gas? (recreational fuel).
That's ALL I run in my power equipment, bass boat, & 2016 Challenger.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Do you have any stations near you that sell 0% ethanol gas? (recreational fuel).
That's ALL I run in my power equipment, bass boat, & 2016 Challenger. NJ is a very left wing state. No ethanol free gas for cars and if you get caught running non-eth fuel, the fines are heavy.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Just from some reading I've done, it seems to me the reduction of sulfur in today's fuels, which provides upper cylinder lubrication, might be a bigger concern than the addition of ethanol so maybe something that addresses both. I know there are products that address both.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Everything, especially my cars.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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I've been told Sea Foam does not address the ethanol issue, or actually stabilize fuel that sits. Sta-Bil has their regular, plus they have one especially for addressing the negative effects of Ethanol. I have also used an E-Zoil product before that one of my reps had samples of. Even if you are in NJ, ethanol-free fuels should not be illegal to run in off road equipment & boats. Hell, new Merc equipped boats have said for years now NOT to use any gas with ethanol - there is a decal right by the fuel fill. Here you go: https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NJ Here's the E-Zoil stuff I have used before: https://www.ezoil.com/products-phaze-out . Call around to some truck parts stores - many will carry E-Zoil products.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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I talked to a small engine repair man who has done his homework. He said that the average person may go to a gas station and get 2 1/2 gallons of gas or 5 gallons and he checked it out and he found that in about 2 weeks you have total separation of the ethanol and know one uses that much gas in your small engine in 2 weeks and sooner then later your are dumping straight ethanol in the tank. No good!!!!! The good news here in Pa. we have quite a few stations that sell ethanol free gas. I just don't see that being the case. While I use zero ethanol fuel in my mower I don't bother for the cars. My mower gas jug usually lasts me a whole season. My neighbor down the street uses E10 in his mower. He does zero maintenance, no oil changes, nothing, just gas and mow. His last mower went 5 years before it died, he also keeps it outside lol. In his case at least the ethanol doesn't cause him any problems that he doesn't cause himself. My Jeep and Barracuda both get E10 and they can sit for months and months and I have never seen an issue. My Barracuda is fuel injected and has an ethanol content sensor. From what I have noticed the E content goes down with time but I don't know how accurate that sensor is at low quantities. It seems like every small engine shop around here has a display of "ethanol failures" right next to the fuel additives. But I have yet to see it cause any problems that weren't greatly enhanced by lack of use or total lack of care. I still use 0% though, for the extra $1.50 over the mowing season its worth it lol
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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Hell, new Merc equipped boats have said for years now NOT to use any gas with ethanol - there is a decal right by the fuel fill.
The primary problem with alcohol in marine gasoline is that the alcohol can pull humidity out of the air. That is usually not a problem in most environments especially when frequent use requires fresh fuel to be added on a regular basis. But in the 100% humidity environment that a boat's fuel tank usually lives in, it can be a big problem. And infrequent use, stale fuel, metal containers, and low fuel levels significantly compound the problem. In all of our small engines, we started using the gas substitutes a few years ago. It's more expensive than gasoline so we start using it late in the season as a run up to storage in stuff that gets run regularly. In the chain saws and stuff that only get run once in a while, we use it exclusively. Doing that has virtually eliminated our fuel related issues in those items.
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Re: Fuel Additive to Combat Ethanol?
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I've been using Star-tron for 7or 8 years now, no issues with my carb vehicles or small engines. Here in Canada, hard to find fuel that is completely ethanol free, most people here don't realize that fuel company's here can say ethanol free as long it is below 4 %, that means they can use 3.9 % and say its ethanol free, thanks Federal Government. I use premium fuel in all my carb vehicles and small engines. As for the small engine's, when I take my can to fill, take one of my vehicles that can stand ethanol, put a few liters in the car first then fill my can. Think about it, your getting say 2 gallons in your can, between the switch valve ( almost all our pumps are multi-grade, you chose which you want to pump ) and the nozzle there is around 1 gal of fuel, so in 2 gal you get 1 gal of whatever the last guy pumped and 1 gal of premium that you want, put some in your daily driver first so your can has only the good fuel.
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