Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: sixpacksteve] #2820485
09/14/20 07:00 AM
09/14/20 07:00 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
Kindafast Offline OP
top fuel
Kindafast  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
I have been wanting to step up to a Dana for a long time. It sure is Purdy under my car too . I hope I can get that performance back but if I don't I know I can spray my way into some numbers without worries of carnage. I am ready to try a little N0S on the car pretty soon.


6.50 @105.26
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: skrews] #2820491
09/14/20 07:17 AM
09/14/20 07:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,211
Minn
S
SportF Offline
pro stock
SportF  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,211
Minn
How is it possible to add weight to a car and not change something.

If your reply is "because of adding weight to the correct place", then that means if we could add the entire weight of the car to that perfect spot we could get unlimited acceleration?

If the answer is more efficient, then why aren't al rears constructed that way to save on gas?

How does this work?

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2820492
09/14/20 07:20 AM
09/14/20 07:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,894
Florida
Locomotion Offline
master
Locomotion  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,894
Florida
There may be about 30-50lbs difference which can account for .05 in ET, but the efficiency of a Dana 60 over an 8 3/4 seems to normally makes up for it. I know a few Stock class racers who have switched like you and have seen no difference. But they do normally readjust the overall car weight back down to near class minimum. Of the most popular rears, a 12 bolt is most efficient while a Ford 9" is the worst. I would guess that GM 10 bolt may be more efficient, but it wasn't in a detailed magazine article I saw years ago.

For those reasons, I installed a Dana 60 in a low 12 second Aspen wagon. I'm confident that I didn't lose any overall ET, but wasn't able to establish a baseline and get more detailed info because of ongoing Thermoquad tuning issues.

Track timing can vary also. I've been to tracks where the difference in front tire pressure was 50+ at one track and 28 at another to get the same RT's, and possibly RPM adjustments too!. That's just the starting line. 1/8 and 1/4 mile can be a bit different too.

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2820497
09/14/20 07:54 AM
09/14/20 07:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,772
Keymar, MD
DusterKid Offline
top fuel
DusterKid  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,772
Keymar, MD
My dad swapped from a 8 3/4 to Dana 60 in his duster back in the late 90's and lost a tenth. If I recall correctly both rears had a posi and he used the same brakes on both. I don't see how adding weight to your car won't slow it down atleast a little.

Being you ran one track in March and another in Sept, that could be a HUGE difference. I know racing difference tracks even on the same weekend can produce difference results. Not typically a tenth difference, but there will be subtle differences. One timing system could be 1320.1 ft and one could be 1319.9 ft. My dad raced late weekend and again yesterday. He was .05 slow yesterday in the 1/8 compared to the weekend before. 60ft was the same but was down 2 mph...air wasn't real great yesterday.

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: DusterKid] #2820587
09/14/20 12:52 PM
09/14/20 12:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
C
cudaman1969 Offline
master
cudaman1969  Offline
master
C

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 8,233
fredericksburg,va
If I’m not mistaken Richmond is shorter than the Beach. That said you changed a lot of things, temp is different and traction is bound to be different between tracks. Way to many variables. We would go to the Duck, Beach and Manassas and never ran the same number. Also that spacer can make a big change.

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: cudaman1969] #2820623
09/14/20 01:59 PM
09/14/20 01:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,357
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,357
Marion, South Carolina [><]
Wait another month or so and try again. I've seen 3+ tenths and 4 mph change from good air to bad summer air.
My car wasn't affected at all by the switch to a Dana from an 8.75...except it doesn't eat ring and pinions anymore. I made the switch back when it was a mid 10 sec 3700 lb car FWIW.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2821247
09/15/20 07:40 PM
09/15/20 07:40 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
Kindafast Offline OP
top fuel
Kindafast  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
Hopefully I can find my numbers again. Darn shame I don't race anymore , I just chase numbers . looking for that new best. There really is something wrong with my brain. LOL Putting the Spray on it now "100 Shot" just to try and find a little more ET.


6.50 @105.26
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2821258
09/15/20 08:08 PM
09/15/20 08:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,669
Wichita
G
GY3 Offline
master
GY3  Offline
master
G

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,669
Wichita
Originally Posted by Kindafast
Hopefully I can find my numbers again. Darn shame I don't race anymore , I just chase numbers . looking for that new best. There really is something wrong with my brain. LOL Putting the Spray on it now "100 Shot" just to try and find a little more ET.


200 shot is easy and fun.. drive


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2821276
09/15/20 08:45 PM
09/15/20 08:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,709
Portage,michigan
B
B3422W5 Online content
I Live Here
B3422W5  Online Content
I Live Here
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,709
Portage,michigan
Originally Posted by Kindafast
Hopefully I can find my numbers again. Darn shame I don't race anymore , I just chase numbers . looking for that new best. There really is something wrong with my brain. LOL Putting the Spray on it now "100 Shot" just to try and find a little more ET.


Why not race anymore.
You can just as easily find out how fast your car is even bracket racing.
I have my foot to the floor in time trials.....i am chasing numbers.
Then i put a dial on it, and if my competitor goes red, i chase numbers again. 98% of drag racing to me is beating the other guy.


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: B3422W5] #2821371
09/16/20 06:43 AM
09/16/20 06:43 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 287
PA
Harry's Taxi 2 Offline
enthusiast
Harry's Taxi 2  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 287
PA
Originally Posted by B3422W5
Originally Posted by Kindafast
Hopefully I can find my numbers again. Darn shame I don't race anymore , I just chase numbers . looking for that new best. There really is something wrong with my brain. LOL Putting the Spray on it now "100 Shot" just to try and find a little more ET.


Why not race anymore.
You can just as easily find out how fast your car is even bracket racing.
I have my foot to the floor in time trials.....i am chasing numbers.
Then i put a dial on it, and if my competitor goes red, i chase numbers again. 98% of drag racing to me is beating the other guy.


I agree with you, but I think we're becoming the minority anymore.......seems nowadays most are chasing the "whoomp-whoomp" at the end.


'86 Maple Grove KOS Mopar low qualifier......true street legal with no power adders.

NOS-used when losing since 1940.

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2821391
09/16/20 08:30 AM
09/16/20 08:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck Offline
Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck  Offline
Not enough dumb comments...yet

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
Originally Posted by Kindafast
Thanks guys , The weather was decent yesterday but not as cool as back in March , A little more humid but dang a full tenth ?? I have a spool in this rear end also and I really figured it would still be close. Changed carbs from my trusty Biggs 950 HP to a pro systems 950 and saw 1/100 difference. Everything else is still the same except for my 1" Wilson spacer. I really thought that would have helped.. Are different tracks really that different ?? Went from Richmond Dragway to Colonial Beach. Them boys at the Beach were flying .


Tracks make a difference. Capitol and VIR are at least 1 tenth faster than other tracks I have raced at here in Maryland.


[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG]
Coming soon!!!!
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Harry's Taxi 2] #2821394
09/16/20 08:33 AM
09/16/20 08:33 AM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,824
MI, usa
dvw Offline
master
dvw  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,824
MI, usa
Got bored just chasing numbers. I like the challange of bracket racing. Either setting it to go on index by slowing it a bit. Or running it flat out with a dial. It's ll about turning on the win light and going rounds for me.
Doug

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: dvw] #2821451
09/16/20 10:32 AM
09/16/20 10:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,709
Portage,michigan
B
B3422W5 Online content
I Live Here
B3422W5  Online Content
I Live Here
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,709
Portage,michigan
Originally Posted by dvw
Got bored just chasing numbers. I like the challange of bracket racing. Either setting it to go on index by slowing it a bit. Or running it flat out with a dial. It's ll about turning on the win light and going rounds for me.
Doug


Doug.... you going to BG this weekend?


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: B3422W5] #2821693
09/16/20 08:08 PM
09/16/20 08:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,824
MI, usa
dvw Offline
master
dvw  Offline
master

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,824
MI, usa
Originally Posted by B3422W5
Originally Posted by dvw
Got bored just chasing numbers. I like the challange of bracket racing. Either setting it to go on index by slowing it a bit. Or running it flat out with a dial. It's ll about turning on the win light and going rounds for me.
Doug



Doug.... you going to BG this weekend?

No, I'll be at Milan for GLSSA. 1 hr drive and $2K to win. Next weekend NMCA at Indy
Doug

Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: dvw] #2822153
09/18/20 07:21 AM
09/18/20 07:21 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
Kindafast Offline OP
top fuel
Kindafast  Offline OP
top fuel

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,927
Seaford, Va
I really enjoy bracket racing too, Just suck at it. LOL . These guys that can cut .00 lights right off the foot brake and run dead on there number are tough to run with. I have turned into a 1st round duck a lot over the years. It is fun to go rounds, I think . It's been so long since I have.


6.50 @105.26
Re: Normal Loosing 1 tenth moving to a Dana ? [Re: Kindafast] #2823313
09/21/20 02:26 PM
09/21/20 02:26 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 883
Affton MO
Q
qwkmopardan Offline
super stock
qwkmopardan  Offline
super stock
Q

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 883
Affton MO
We just put a dana in a 318 dart after if killed a ring and pinion on the 8-3/4, with around 60 passes. Best et was 7.21 at 94mph. Put in Dana 60 with same 4.10 ratio and went 7.12 at 94mph. So................

Page 2 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1