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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2809178
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360, I have broached this topic before, you have no need justify here your contributions, those that have an issue, can as everyone knows, just avoid the thread, or offer a counter view in an equally manner civil as you share your discoveries with supporting links.

I don't know their motivations for apparently trying to pick a fight or something, maybe what you share doesn't fit their agenda, they don't like others being one up on them, they are jealous, or they don't understand how someone might unselfishly make a concerted effort for the greater good, something they might realize, they lack. Who knows?

Let them lie in the bed they make for themselves, My suggestion, it only makes you look more altruistic the more your ignore them.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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USA has decided to specially create a less deadly version of Covid-19 for potential vaccine testing...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-coronavirus-strain-human-trials.html

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: DAYCLONA] #2809404
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Why hasn’t this emotionally aroused Dr gotten Covid-19, he asks?

Could be he fought it off with T-cells?
Could be that his immune system genes have made him immune to coronaviruses since birth?
Could be his ACE2 receptors are unusual mutants?
Could be that his diet has a large enough quantity of Quercetin that its anti-viral effects led to quickly fighting off the virus?

Could be many things not even yet known to science.

He wants USA citizens to eat a “better” mix of foods,
engage in a “better” set of activities,
not consume “bad” chemicals.

I am in favor of that,
but I personally am less sure about what is better/bad than when I was his age.

Gary Taubes excellent history book “Good Calories, Bad Calories” overturned many diet & exercise assumptions I had.

https://www.amazon.com/Good-Calorie...fix=Good+Calories%2Caps%2C165&sr=1-2

Taubes later writings about Salt, then later Sugar, and the whole book “Why We Get Fat” are not kind to “conventional thinking.”

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Covid-19 vaccine test volunteers are numerous in Florida, even though only half will get a real vaccine.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-volunteers-flock-vaccine-trials-virus.html

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So far, the United States has poured more than $10 billion into six vaccine development projects and signed contracts to guarantee delivery of hundreds of millions of doses.

"We have seen a lot of excitement with this trial," said RCA nurse practitioner Barbara Corral, who added that volunteers "really want to be part of something great."

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Originally Posted by 360view
Covid-19 vaccine test volunteers are numerous in Florida, even though only half will get a real vaccine.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-volunteers-flock-vaccine-trials-virus.html

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So far, the United States has poured more than $10 billion into six vaccine development projects and signed contracts to guarantee delivery of hundreds of millions of doses.

"We have seen a lot of excitement with this trial," said RCA nurse practitioner Barbara Corral, who added that volunteers "really want to be part of something great."

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This is all a wasted effort of time and money, shortly the Covid mutation D614G will breach the US shores, then we'll really be counting the bodies like cord wood.... no amount of masks/vaccine/cowering at home will stop this Armageddon.... the Earth needs a "cleansing" perioically

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Wall Street Journal has a Monday front page article “Covid-19 Deaths Skew Younger in Minorities.”

The 2 graphs are thought provoking.

Are Native Americans dying more at all ages because of genetics or living conditions? (or both)

The 1917-1919 H1N1 influenza, Smallpox and Measles took a higher toll on Native Americans.

By intensely studying why this happens we might discover secrets that would help all people resist viruses.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2809693
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Harvard U finds two dugs that prevent both Covid-19 and Ebola virus from infecting cells

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-drugs-potential-covid-.html

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2809824
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Originally Posted by jcc
360, I have broached this topic before, you have no need justify here your contributions, those that have an issue, can as everyone knows, just avoid the thread, or offer a counter view in an equally manner civil as you share your discoveries with supporting links.

I don't know their motivations for apparently trying to pick a fight or something, maybe what you share doesn't fit their agenda, they don't like others being one up on them, they are jealous, or they don't understand how someone might unselfishly make a concerted effort for the greater good, something they might realize, they lack. Who knows?

Let them lie in the bed they make for themselves, My suggestion, it only makes you look more altruistic the more your ignore them.


Nothing against 360view at all. Just questioning some of the 'science' behind some of these articles. I've read some of them before he's posted them on here fwiw.

Once the 'news" is fully committed to a story like this your bound to get some outlandish BS being published just to keep the fire going. Tomorrow's story must raise the bar or people will stop clicking on your website basically.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Neil] #2809827
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Personally I expect at least 40% of the science reported in these abstracts to be somehow flawed.

Eurekalert.org reports the raw press releases same day with zero editing or fact checking

https://www.eurekalert.org/bysubject/?kw=104&start=30

Medicalxpress.com condenses the length of the raw press releases about a day later, and decides which ones to ignore.

MedicalNewsToday.com delays publishing for 4-5 days and has (lowly) paid “fact checkers”

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/

msnbc and cnn medical news,
well what can I say?
Nearly always is a form of “click-bait.”

The “historian of science” Gary Taubes, mentioned in a previous post,
claims to read completely every science paper mentioned in his books
and telephones original paper authors with questions for any issue he does not understand.






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Africa has had relatively few deaths.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ar-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why

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Marina Pollán of the Carlos III Health Institute in Madrid, who led Spain’s antibody survey, says Africa’s youthfulness may protect it. Spain’s median age is 45; in Kenya and Malawi, it’s 20 and 18, respectively. Young people around the world are far less likely to get severely ill or die from the virus. And the population in Kenya’s cities, where the pandemic first took hold, skews even younger than the country as a whole, says Thumbi Mwangi, an epidemiologist at the University of Nairobi. The number of severe and fatal cases “may go higher when the disease has moved to the rural areas where we have populations with advanced age,” he says.

Jambo is exploring the hypothesis that Africans have had more exposure to other coronaviruses that cause little more than colds in humans, which may provide some defense against COVID-19. Another possibility is that regular exposure to malaria or other infectious diseases could prime the immune system to fight new pathogens, including SARS-CoV-2

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It is hard to get a high enough concentration of Ivermectin in a human to stop Covid-19 replication

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-ivermectin-miracle-covid-.html

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Ivermectin is thought to inhibit the virus by preventing viral proteins moving in and out of the host cell's nucleus, which is essential for replication of the coronavirus.

The problem is this process requires very high concentrations of ivermectin—well above the recommended dose for humans. This means ivermectin's virus-killing powers would be unlikely to be harnessed inside the human body.

A detailed analysis of the relationship between dose and concentration of ivermectin suggests none of the currently used ivermectin dosing regimens would deliver high enough concentrations of ivermectin inside the body to activate its virus-killing effects.

Another review backs this up, suggesting all of the ivermectin doses being investigated in current clinical trials would fall well short of achieving drug concentrations high enough to wipe out SARS-CoV-2.

Even a 120 mg dose of ivermectin, which would be regarded as excessive (compared with the recommended dose of 3-15mg for treating parasitic infections) resulted in blood concentrations several orders of magnitude times lower than those needed to inhibit the virus.

How much ivermectin is too much?

While ivermectin generally doesn't cause problematic side effects at the currently used doses, there is limited information about whether much larger doses would also be safe.

Repurposing ivermectin as a "cure" for COVID-19 would require massive doses, which would substantially increase the risk of side effects such as nausea, rash, dizziness, immune suppression, abdominal pain, fever, raised heart rate and unstable blood pressure.

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One example suggests catching Covid-19 on a plane moderate

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-coronavirus-plane-flight-history-outlines.html

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Polish coal miners donate Covid-19 convalescent plasma

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-miners-blood-boosts-covid-drug.html

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83 out of 878 patient study
further indicates Famotidine (PepcidAC)
reduces Covid-19 fatality by 64%
or death/intubation by 51%

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88119

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Of 878 total patients, about 10% received famotidine.
Mean age of the whole group was 67, and 55% were men.
About 22% of patients died during hospitalization,
27% required mechanical ventilation,
and 12% met criteria for "combined death and intubation."
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Use of famotidine was associated with reduced risk of hospital mortality (OR 0.366, 95% CI 0.155-0.862, P=0.021),
as well as a lower risk of the combined death or intubation endpoint (OR 0.495, 95% CI 0.228-0.965, P=0.04).

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More accurately than age alone,
Swedish researchers claim “Clinical Frailty Score Number”
predicts who will die from Covid-19

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-frailty-prognostic-factor-age-covid-.html

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Higher age, but also frailty, was linked to an increased risk of death during the period of care. Frailty is a relatively new concept that is used as a tool to describe a patient's functional level before the individual suffered from an acute illness.

A frailty score higher than five on the nine-point Clinical Frailty Scale was found to be more associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients than the patient's age. A frailty score of six means that a patient needs help with all outside activities, keeping house and bathing.

"It is an interesting finding, that frailty appears to be a better measure than age in predicting COVID-19 survival," says Juulia Jylhävä, one of the other main authors and researchers in the area of frailty in the same department

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2810558
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Interesting, wonder if one can be in good health but score frail?
Would have liked to know the scoring parameters they use of 1-9? for frailty.
It does make sense and sounds useful.


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Interesting case of a Seattle fishing boat.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...s-protect-against-coronavirus-infection/

This addresses and underreported issue (IMO) regarding this virus. This suggests, thankfully, that the end might be near, and this damn thing might run out of fuel (victims), rather than being an ongoing scourge.

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