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58 Plymouth brake shoes? #2801547
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I need new brakes for my 58 Belvedere but not having any luck finding any. I can find 59 and up. Are they different? Anyone have a source for new brake shoes for a 58 Belvedere?

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: AeroMonte] #2801562
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Originally Posted by AeroMonte
I need new brakes for my 58 Belvedere but not having any luck finding any. I can find 59 and up. Are they different? Anyone have a source for new brake shoes for a 58 Belvedere?




Brakes for these early B bodies suck for parts/setting up....your best bet is to do the scarebird front disc swap, swap out the tapered axle/pressed drum rear for a bolt in 8 3/4 E body axle, if you want power brakes the 70 up A body 8/9 inch diaphram booster, disc/drum master and offset bracket from Pirate Jack is the way to go, I'm currently doing this on my Daughter's 61 Belvedere


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I will be visiting a friend of mine in about 10 days and he has a bunch of NOS parts for the older cars and I will ask. Shoot me a pm late next week to remind me

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: gtx6970] #2801610
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https://www.oldmoparts.com/parts-service-brakes.aspx

Or have your old ones relined, plenty of those services listed in the internet, I have no experience with any of them though.

Some of those disc brake kits are poorly thought out, any that require heating and bending of steering arms are on my nope list as are any that use an aluminum hub.

You 58's front suspension is completely different than my 51's so my solution will not directly apply, which is to use OEM stuff to convert to discs using my own mounting bracket design. Still in development right now, waiting till100+ degree days aren't in the forecast.


One other thing to think about, years ago I put discs on my 64 300. Essentially, I measured things out, went to the boneyard and found a later Mopar disc setup that would work, spindle and all. In my case the late B/F/M/J/R spindle was the same height and could be made to work if I used the newer steering arm and trimmed the tierod assembly from the 64, but that was back it the 90's and the details are fuzzy anymore. A later dual reservoir 4 bolt master cylinder and the prop valve form the brake donor were used as well. I want to say I used a 79 Cordoba as the donor for everything but the master cylinder and the hard lines.

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Looked on Google, a site called moparmall.com has shoes and the hydraulics.
Another path would be to check with the guys at forwardlook.com.

IIRC - been 20 years since my last '58 - they used a double-leading-shoe design.
Buddy who was a Mopar tech back then had special tools for setting them up.

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If you strike-out finding an automotive brake re-liner, try a heavy-truck repair place.

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Get your shoes refined and the shoes arced to your drums. This way you will have full contact of shoe to drum and it will stop good.

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: NANKET] #2801882
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Originally Posted by NANKET
Get your shoes refined and the shoes arced to your drums. This way you will have full contact of shoe to drum and it will stop good.


iagree Or go disc. My suggestion based on battles with a 59, DISC beer

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Originally Posted by topside
Looked on Google, a site called moparmall.com has shoes and the hydraulics.
Another path would be to check with the guys at forwardlook.com.

IIRC - been 20 years since my last '58 - they used a double-leading-shoe design.
Buddy who was a Mopar tech back then had special tools for setting them up.


I'm not even sure what that means, both shoes the same length? I have a tool to set them up, as in measures the inside diameter of the drum and then the outside diameter of the shoes to get it close. Beyond that I have never seen a setup like on this car before. I did check Moparmall and they do have relined shoes

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: AeroMonte] #2801919
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Craig at Mobile Parts on Long Island has found a few hard to find items for my '55 Plymouth. I don't have his contract information at the moment, but I can find it. I know he's a member at forwardlook.net and FBBO with the user name mobileparts.

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Aero, I don't recall the length, it was the actuation.
They work well for drums when set up.
You can PM me for my buddy's # and he can explain it better than I can.

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: topside] #2802221
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Andy Bernbaum carries them. I've had several 57, 58 Plymouths since 1964 and he always has anything you would need for the brakes.

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The FSM does a decent job of explaining how the 58's brakes work, that was a fairly new change to them compared to what my 51 had.

Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: AeroMonte] #2802510
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I had an issue finding some for a 51 Dodge Pick Up. I ended up sending the cores out and having them re-shoed. It wasn't cheap..but not hateful. I think it was about $120-30. If I can remember the company I'll PM you.

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Re: 58 Plymouth brake shoes? [Re: AeroMonte] #2802686
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Both 58 and 59 use the same shoes, I own both years. You can get both front and rear shoes at Kanter Auto Products for $89 a set of 4 shoes. Last month I bought a front set for a 56 Fury from Kanter.


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