Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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06/30/20 04:09 PM
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Everything looks real nice. I made my own studs from hardened all thread. Worked fine. I'll do that if I can't find any but I like how APR studs have that necked down non-thread ends to help as you get them aligned.
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
[Re: WadeMetzinger]
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07/01/20 03:33 PM
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Anyone know of a kit or where to pick up bell housing studs? Since it's an aluminum block, I'd rather put studs in the block to mount the tranny too (J&W Ultrabell) rather than using 3/8 bolts. I found these on ARP's site, but they are for Top Fuel and 7/16 but didn't see any in 3/8 size: APR bell housing studs Will this ARP kit work for you? Kit #: 245-0901 Stud Kit - Chevrolet, Chrysler KB Hemi, hex Specifications OAL 2.000˝ Thread Size 3/8˝ Nuts, washers included Socket Size(s) 7/16 12pt Summit LinkAlso available in stainless steel 445-0901
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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Another alternative: Summit Racing Part Number:MIL-81520 Fastener Head Style:Flanged 12-point Stud Length (in):2.000 in. Thread Size:3/8-16 in. Fastener Material:Chromoly Fastener Finish:Black oxide Quantity: Sold as a set of 6. Summit Link - Milodon
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/01/20 04:36 PM
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Also found some lower cost alternatives, Summit says they are grade 8. Dorman 675-004 2.125" OAL $13.99 set of 10 Double Ended Stud - 3/8-16 x 5/8 In. and 3/8-16 x 1 In, with 1/2" unthreaded Link to Dorman web site 675-004These might be more to your liking (if not paying for the nice ARP) unthreaded tip Summit Link Dorman 675-115
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/06/20 11:34 AM
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This weekend I got the cam installed and degreed in at 108.5 with Jessel belt system, .011 end play.
I got the heads installed and checked rocker arm geometry and measured for pushrods. Intake 3/8" diameter .120 wall and 9.704 over all length, ball to ball, 5/16 ball ends, Exhaust 7/6" diameter .095 wall and 9.671 over all length with 5/16 ball to ball ends. This was with .006 lash accounting for .010 - .015 growth for aluminum block and heads.
I also noticed that the side spacing on the T&D rockers weren't the same so I measured them. They varied from .014 to .065 so I've got a call into them to find out what space they recommend so I can adjust with shims. I'm guessing they will want .020 or less. The .065 will let a lot of oil out and may starve #1 since it's so far away from the supply.
I set the intake and spacers on to see how they aligned since we milled .040 off the head to increase compression. They seemed to still align pretty good but i did order some .030 intake gaskets to see if they will help align even better.
Also took measurements of the valley tray bolt and the intake bolts so I could get them ordered. 1/4x20 at 3/4" length for valley tray and 3/8x16 at 2.5" length for intake bolts.
The tranny studs came in and they look like they are going to work nicely, i didn't realize the KB blocks had both Chevy and Mopar bolt patterns, that will offer a few other options.
Next I'm going to figure out where to have the #8 oil drain back fittings welded to the oil pan, i'm running the Milodon 31161 9QT pan chassis/dragster pan with the dual line swinging pick up and there isn't a lot of room for the fitting above the oil level and the windage tray so I'm stressing a little about that at the moment.
Hoping to be ready for the dyno in the next 2 weeks. I'm hoping for 900hp but realistically expecting 850-875hp.
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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Pic of the tranny studs, they aren't in the right hole, just checking fitness, also screwed in the ARP dowel pins Let us know if the tranny studs are long enough. I think you are using a JW Ultra bell (thick) and a mid-plate? And can you tell me the coarse thread length, fine thread length, quick start end length. Catalog says 2.0" overall length.
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/06/20 01:40 PM
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ARP replied to my online inquiry quickly. This is their reply: Hi Jim,
Thanks for the inquiry.
.200” nose .550” coarse .800” fine So this picture is my interpretation of that, assuming exactly 2.0" overall length. (pic is a different stud).
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/13/20 01:22 PM
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Installed the lifters, pushrods, rockers and adjusted the valve to .006.(assuming they will grow .010 to .015 when hot)
Installed the intake and spacers, since I milled .040 off the heads I swapped out 1 set of the .060 gaskets with a set of .030 and everything lined up perfectly.
Installed the oil pump drive and checked engagement of the distributor shaft and test fitted the Milodon oil pump and Muscle Motor pump cover.
Cut holes in the valve covers for the evac breathers and also installed baffles. No room for a vacuum pump so have to keep using old school evac system through the headers. (Alternator and Enderle fuel pump take up all the room up front)
Installed new cap and rotor and set up the wires (also swapped #4 and #7 for the cam).
Oil pan is getting 2 #8 bungs welded onto it for oil drain back from the heads, should be ready this week so I can pre-oil it.
APD 1275 Max Speed gas carb should be in the mail this week, will be using Renegade 112 race fuel.
I was hoping to dyno this week but it looks like it will be the week after the Topeka NHRA double divisional. A buddy of mine is letting me wheel his 1967 Camaro in SST. It's a beautiful all steel, all glass car that has been in their family for 50 years. Big Block Chevy 582” makes around 1,100hp but the car weighs a ton, like 3,400+ lbs.
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/13/20 05:40 PM
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wow the motor looks great , camaro not so bad either
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New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/14/20 10:04 AM
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Looking good..Id try really hard to find a home for a vacuum pump myself. I know things can get tight but gotta be a way. We have a dry sump, vac pump and alternator hanging on mine with extremely narrow frame rails. Tight but it all works.
Nice Camaro, I to have a 68 Camaro with an BBC in it that I have threatened to run in S/ST more than once. It is a true street car though and just have never bothered to put a diaper on it.
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/21/20 02:29 PM
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I use an old corded 1/2" drill that only spins at 900rpm and got 50lbs on the top back port and 75lbs on the side main galley port.
I then switched to my Milwaukee cordless which spins around 1,800rpm and it immediately pegged my 80psi oil pressure gauge. (I haven't check the top oil port with the faster drill yet)
I didn't use the lifter galley oil restrictors per 440Jims recommendation and it looks to be a good decision. I think KB didn't machine the groove around the cam bearing deep enough on mine. Ken said he was surprised by my oil pressure (with the slow drill); 70 psi mains, and only 13 at the lifter galley. But the oil flow to my heads (via pushrods) was enough as I watched it on the engine stand. Engine worked great (only pushrod oiling to the Indy 440-1 heads, T&D paired rockers).
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Re: 508” KB – B1 build
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07/22/20 08:21 AM
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Anyone want to make any HP/TQ predictions?
Time for the guessing game! Sounds fairly mild for a B1 build: 508 CID (4.360” x 4.25” stroke), 12.46 CR, 392 cfm Koffel porting, 276/288 deg at 0.050", 0.767”/0.767” camI hope it makes more, but I am guessing 958 hp at 7200 rpm. (rpm due to only 508 CID)
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