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Black plastic 70 cuda grill Q's #2799105
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Were the black plastic grills on 70 aar's painted? or were they left the original black plastic with no paint?

When was the first known black plastic grill produced?

Were the lower valance's also black plastic on the aar's?

I have an M46 born on 915 that has a black plastic grill. My other M46's , 910 and 4/70 have grey plastic grills and grey valance's.

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I can't help much but the last one in the parts system was sold to me in 1980, I ordered an aar grille, it came black plastic. Had to pay a special handling charge to get it as it was the last one in the system. I figured I would get a painted one that late, what I do not remember is if it was sitting at a dealer, or at a parts depot.

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I bought an NOS black lower valance in the 90s


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Were either of these NOS grills painted black?
Did the black paint have some sparkle to it?
Were they not painted and in bare plastic form?

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I’ll look on my lower valance. It’s never been out.

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Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.

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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!

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Originally Posted by M46 Cuda Hunter
Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!


The first molded black plastic grilles showed up in the Gran Coupe. The valance insert was also molded in black plastic, I've only seen them on AAR's and they were not painted. The face on original AAR grilles were painted with organisol, yes, it does have mini flake in it. Also, I have never seen any NOS AAR grilles molded in black plastic, the ones I've ever seen were all grey grilles painted black. MOPAR ran out of black plastic grilles during production and started painting grey grilles black sometime before the last run of AAR's were completed.

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Check this out. https://barnfinds.com/rare-m46-option-1970-plymouth-cuda/


(PS, I'd love to find the factory 72 Barracuda V21 engineering diagram)

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Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
Originally Posted by M46 Cuda Hunter
Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!


The first molded black plastic grilles showed up in the Gran Coupe. The valance insert was also molded in black plastic, I've only seen them on AAR's and they were not painted. The face on original AAR grilles were painted with organisol, yes, it does have mini flake in it. Also, I have never seen any NOS AAR grilles molded in black plastic, the ones I've ever seen were all grey grilles painted black. MOPAR ran out of black plastic grilles during production and started painting grey grilles black sometime before the last run of AAR's were completed.


So somewhere there is a black argent paint formula. Straight black with some reflective flake in it.
And I would assume the front valance you have seen also had the same black argent paint on it.

Do you have any idea what the earliest production of the gran coupe with the black grill that you have seen was?

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Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
Originally Posted by M46 Cuda Hunter
Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!


The first molded black plastic grilles showed up in the Gran Coupe. The valance insert was also molded in black plastic, I've only seen them on AAR's and they were not painted. The face on original AAR grilles were painted with organisol, yes, it does have mini flake in it. Also, I have never seen any NOS AAR grilles molded in black plastic, the ones I've ever seen were all grey grilles painted black. MOPAR ran out of black plastic grilles during production and started painting grey grilles black sometime before the last run of AAR's were completed.


I did not post on this thread on purpose until we had more posts. I posted my answer on the ebodies website and suggested the same question be asked on here. As usual, there are different opinions posted on both boards. I bought my AAR in 76 with original paint and all original panels. It had never had a bolt turned on the body before I got it. The organisol on the hood was bad when I bought it so I had it repainted. It still has the original paint on the tail panel. It is worn from the few years in the Texas sun. My valance is black plastic with no paint and has still never been out of the car. I removed my grill when I painted the engine compartment in the early 90’s and was surprised to find it was painted with a black paint with very fine metallic in it. It actually makes sense that it has paint. The plastic would come out of the mold very shinny on the slick black surface. I’m sure it would have some slight imperfections from the mold as well. The plastic would deteriorate with no paint on it and exposed to the sun. So I agree with a Mike. He does not miss many things.

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Originally Posted by UCUDANT
Check this out. https://barnfinds.com/rare-m46-option-1970-plymouth-cuda/


(PS, I'd love to find the factory 72 Barracuda V21 engineering diagram)


I also would love to see the schematics for the V21.


that barracuda in the ebay link is bh23gob155434. Purchased from Josepn in N.C. by a flipper who cleaned it and listed it on ebay. Sold for 7600. High in my opinion, but. Lost track of it now.

This car is number 24 on my M46 registry. This is 4th from the last known production M46 that I know of. A/11. October. Only a few produced after this by order date code that I have info on.
Any info on M46's is appreciated.



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Originally Posted by fastmark
Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
Originally Posted by M46 Cuda Hunter
Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!


The first molded black plastic grilles showed up in the Gran Coupe. The valance insert was also molded in black plastic, I've only seen them on AAR's and they were not painted. The face on original AAR grilles were painted with organisol, yes, it does have mini flake in it. Also, I have never seen any NOS AAR grilles molded in black plastic, the ones I've ever seen were all grey grilles painted black. MOPAR ran out of black plastic grilles during production and started painting grey grilles black sometime before the last run of AAR's were completed.


I did not post on this thread on purpose until we had more posts. I posted my answer on the ebodies website and suggested the same question be asked on here. As usual, there are different opinions posted on both boards. I bought my AAR in 76 with original paint and all original panels. It had never had a bolt turned on the body before I got it. The organisol on the hood was bad when I bought it so I had it repainted. It still has the original paint on the tail panel. It is worn from the few years in the Texas sun. My valance is black plastic with no paint and has still never been out of the car. I removed my grill when I painted the engine compartment in the early 90’s and was surprised to find it was painted with a black paint with very fine metallic in it. It actually makes sense that it has paint. The plastic would come out of the mold very shinny on the slick black surface. I’m sure it would have some slight imperfections from the mold as well. The plastic would deteriorate with no paint on it and exposed to the sun. So I agree with a Mike. He does not miss many things.


Thanks Mark. I was curious what the outcome of your aar was. So the front valance had no paint but the grill had black argent paint.
What's the production date on your aar?

The organisol on all three of my M46's is very poor workmanship. Runs everywhere. Not installed with any talent for sure. Must have been sprayed on Mondays.

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It’s a 4-08 car. I guess you would call it black argent. The metallic flake is so faint, you really could not see it on the front. Only when I removed the grill could you see it in the form of overspray on the headlight doors best. I have two AAR’s now but one was bumped in the front and the grill was replaced by a silver argent one. I bought one of Mike’s BE&A grills when they first came out and was so impressed, I bought several more for spares.

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I see the black grills are still being offered. I'll have to pick one up. Thanks again Mark.

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There doesn't appear to be a front valance available in either grey or black.

Any idea where a black front valance would be offered? Probably no where.

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Originally Posted by M46 Cuda Hunter
Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Grille was moulded in black plastic, zero black paint on the one I had.


Thanks for letting me know!


The first molded black plastic grilles showed up in the Gran Coupe. The valance insert was also molded in black plastic, I've only seen them on AAR's and they were not painted. The face on original AAR grilles were painted with organisol, yes, it does have mini flake in it. Also, I have never seen any NOS AAR grilles molded in black plastic, the ones I've ever seen were all grey grilles painted black. MOPAR ran out of black plastic grilles during production and started painting grey grilles black sometime before the last run of AAR's were completed.


So somewhere there is a black argent paint formula. Straight black with some reflective flake in it.
And I would assume the front valance you have seen also had the same black argent paint on it.

Do you have any idea what the earliest production of the gran coupe with the black grill that you have seen was?




Original organisol was a lacquer based paint back in the day, I mix my own using urethane hotrod black with House of Color super mini flake and DX1999 texture added. All Gran Coupes started the production year with black plastic grills.

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I just sold an early built Gran Coup with original paint. I bought it in 78. It was August or September built. I may have some information still in my files. It had a std silver argent grill with the chrome moldings. I still have one of the headlight doors as it was slightly deformed from a bent fender when I bought it. I changed the right fender and headlight door when I sold it last year. I did have another one years ago but it was flat black painted over the original argent rough textured silver. Is was altered to say the least. It had a 6” round steering wheel and a leopard print fuzzy headliner glued to the hardboard headliner. 😳

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So black plastic grills were available in the first month of production on the gran coupe.
I've not seen a survivor gran coupe much less with the black grill.

Thanks for the info. This means the black grill that came in one of my m46's could indeed be the original grill for the car.

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My 70 Gran Coupe SPD 12/16 came with the black grille and it is molded black with no paint on it. Its been in my family since 1976


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