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Re: Dissapointed with my run with 69 Roadrunner/440 6pk [Re: BLONDE BARRACUDA] #278806
04/06/09 09:06 PM
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buddy of mine had a 69 r/t 440 t-flite that ran 13.50s back in the early 70s.. ran at bristol tn....tires were street tires of that era...owner was part time ihra tech inspector..regular job physics and chemistry teacher ...needless to say the dude was sharp on racecars..car was a good example of a true ''showroom'' car tuned and driven by an expert....

Re: Dissapointing Run w/440 6pk [Re: Mr.Yuck] #278807
04/06/09 09:27 PM
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Non Believers LOL
Not only did they do it, they did it bragging, and as a advertisement Logo.
"In 1968 with the intro of the Plymouth Road runner, Mopars claim to fame was Speed on a budget, designed to run 100 mph in the 1/4 mile and sell for under $3000".
You probably wouldn't believe this same car with a little work, still carrying stock 906 heads, and Factory fuel system wouldn't run no where near 11.20's in the 1/4 either...
Rapid Transit's Believe it or not



a 383 RR w/ 3.55's on bias tires, even tuned to the nines, with a pro driver wouldn't do 14.0's...maybe [Email]14.40@95[/Email] maybe.
and it will need a TON of work, meaning stroker, roller cam $$$$$ in head works to run in the 11's. If not I want to hear the combo so I can build one.




fast68plymouth's roadrunner with a 383 and UNPORTED 906 heads is an 11 second car....


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2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
Re: Dissapointing Run w/440 6pk [Re: patrick] #278808
04/07/09 06:57 AM
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Keep in mind patrick, that's no factory 383 package. It's machined and prepped by Dwayne... That is as close to Stock Eliminator as one can get without sticking a number on the car...lol.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Dissapointing Run w/440 6pk [Re: moper] #278809
04/07/09 08:09 AM
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Keep in mind patrick, that's no factory 383 package. It's machined and prepped by Dwayne... That is as close to Stock Eliminator as one can get without sticking a number on the car...lol.




true, but my response was refuting this clam "and it will need a TON of work, meaning stroker, roller cam $$$$$ in head works to run in the 11's. "

Dwayne's has unported (but I'm assuming a pretty trick valve job) 906's, is stock stroke, and IIRC runs a flat tappet solid.


1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD
1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!***
2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T
2017 Grand Cherokee Overland
2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
Re: Dissapointing Run w/440 6pk [Re: patrick] #278810
04/07/09 08:22 AM
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Non Believers LOL
Not only did they do it, they did it bragging, and as a advertisement Logo.
"In 1968 with the intro of the Plymouth Road runner, Mopars claim to fame was Speed on a budget, designed to run 100 mph in the 1/4 mile and sell for under $3000".
You probably wouldn't believe this same car with a little work, still carrying stock 906 heads, and Factory fuel system wouldn't run no where near 11.20's in the 1/4 either...
Rapid Transit's Believe it or not



a 383 RR w/ 3.55's on bias tires, even tuned to the nines, with a pro driver wouldn't do 14.0's...maybe [Email]14.40@95[/Email] maybe.
and it will need a TON of work, meaning stroker, roller cam $$$$$ in head works to run in the 11's. If not I want to hear the combo so I can build one.




fast68plymouth's roadrunner with a 383 and UNPORTED 906 heads is an 11 second car....




Apples and oranges, it's far from stock. Getting back to the question, Did you check to see if the outboards were full 100% open? I even had a 750 Eddy carb choke flap suck down on me causing the 67 to slow. I had to wire it open...

Re: Dissapointing Run w/440 6pk [Re: patrick] #278811
04/07/09 08:48 AM
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Keep in mind patrick, that's no factory 383 package. It's machined and prepped by Dwayne... That is as close to Stock Eliminator as one can get without sticking a number on the car...lol.




true, but my response was refuting this clam "and it will need a TON of work, meaning stroker, roller cam $$$$$ in head works to run in the 11's. "

Dwayne's has unported (but I'm assuming a pretty trick valve job) 906's, is stock stroke, and IIRC runs a flat tappet solid.




I'm not sure if it's a flat tappet , STOCK would have had a hyd. cam I think ??? He does have a small lift cam , not sure if he changed rocker ratio , but the duration of his cam was so big that he had negative piston to valve clearance just rotating the engine over by hand . He had to add valve reliefs to his pistons to be able to run the engine so in essence he no longer had a legal stock motor , but yes no roller cam needed .


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Re: Dissapointed with my run with 69 Roadrunner/440 6pk [Re: BSB67] #278812
04/07/09 09:12 PM
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for the most part, my thinking is along the lines of BSB67's.

but i'd want to quantify exactly what "mostly stock with a better cam" really means.

is it an OE long block with a new cam?
or is it a rebuilt motor with replacement pistons, reconed heads and a better cam?

if its a rebuilt motor, without knowing the specifics of the build......it could have easily taken a step backwards in the performance dept, depending on exactly what parts were used and the skill/proficiency of the shop that did the work.

none the less, i would start by checking all the basics first. make sure there are no mechanical or electrical gremlins not letting the combo run to its full potential......then tune from there.

as for my 383.....to set the record straight.
the short block and heads were originally prepped to run in NHRA stock eliminator.
when i was mocking up the heads and valvetrain, i discovered i had negative .010" V/P clearance on the intake valve.
since you cant flycut the pistons, the 2 choices were.......prep another set of heads, and dont mill them down to the minimum allowed volume, or use a shorter duration cam......or do some of both.
at that time the car wasnt going to be real competitive anyway......and i felt it was going to take a pretty serious effort to make the power i needed to even be able to be a "mid-pack" car.
less compression or less cam didnt really appeal to me that much, so i shelved the build.
several years later i decided to do something with the motor.
so, i flycut the pistons, set the heads up for dual springs, and installed a custom Comp solid flat tappet cam.
i never ran the motor with the NHRA cheater cam.

at 3650lbs, running 15 year old SS springs, with a mechanical fuel pump and the OEM 5/16" line, crank driven water pump, battery up front, slicks and open headers it would run under 11.50 in decent air.
with new springs/Cal-Tracs and an electric water pump drive it ended up going 11.26.
with a 6 pak hood, electric fuel pump/1/2" line/fuel cell, battery in trunk, remove wiper motor, heater box, rear seat(race weight 3550lbs), it went a best of 11.18 @ 123.

thats with unported 906's with a nice valve job that flowed like 233cfm.

however, more to the point about the OE 5/16 line......i had a roller cammed 448 with ported big valve 906's in the car from '95-'97, running high 10's/125+ in summer air.......with nothing but the OE 5/16" line and a Carter mechanical pump.
best ET from that combo was 10.61, best speed was 129, best 60' time was 1.46(all from different runs).....also done with the full interior, flat steel hood, battery up front, and crank driven water pump......and 3650lb race weight.


68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
Re: Dissapointed with my run with 69 Roadrunner/440 6pk [Re: fast68plymouth] #278813
04/08/09 09:17 AM
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Thanks to all the replies... I really appreciate it!

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