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Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? #2773554
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My Turbo Action converter is wore where the front pump bushing rides. I've tried a couple of places locally to either get it welded and turned down or having the snout replaced.

Has anyone turned down the snout and installed a repair sleeve? I found them on O'Reilly's website in many different sizes. (I'd measure and determine what I needed).

Shipping this halfway across the country for TA to fix seems cost prohibitive and I have the combination working the way I want so I really don't want to purchase another one.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: GY3] #2773558
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I would not trust a sleeve in that application. We've used sleeves to repair seal surfaces, but I've never used such a thing for a bearing/bushing surface, especially in a high RPM race type deal.

Any converter shop should be able to fix that without disturbing the setup of the converter. It would also be a good time to convert everything to the late style hub and pump, especially if this is a 904 application.


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Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: GY3] #2773560
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Why not send it to Coan Racing they do a great job only a few states away. https://www.coanracing.com/contact-us


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Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: CMcAllister] #2773561
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
I would not trust a sleeve in that application. We've used sleeves to repair seal surfaces, but I've never used such a thing for a bearing/bushing surface, especially in a high RPM race type deal.

Any converter shop should be able to fix that without disturbing the setup of the converter. It would also be a good time to convert everything to the late style hub and pump, especially if this is a 904 application.


No, it's a later 727.

Trying to find someone fairly local to do exactly that without shipping halfway across the country to FL and having more in it than it's worth.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: JD Dart] #2773562
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Originally Posted by JD Dart
Why not send it to Coan Racing they do a great job only a few states away. https://www.coanracing.com/contact-us


Will keep them in mind since they are closer.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: GY3] #2773778
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Depending on how bad it's worn, you can turn it down and use a Turbo 400 input bushing in the transmission to take up the loose space. The OD of the 400 bushing is the same as the 727, the ID is smaller. Select in New York did this for me on a 727 converter a few years back. I've had zero issues with it, and Ed told me he does this all the time on Torqueflites.

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Call it up and see if T/A will send you a UPS label on their commercial account Or have me print one and paypal the cost over and I'll email you the label. It can't be *that* expensive to ship it there and back to have it checked out and repaired correctly.

Let me know via PM if I can help on the label though it's not problem to email it over and get the coin via PayPal.

Pics of damage?



Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: Jeremiah] #2773799
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Call it up and see if T/A will send you a UPS label on their commercial account Or have me print one and paypal the cost over and I'll email you the label. It can't be *that* expensive to ship it there and back to have it checked out and repaired correctly.

Let me know via PM if I can help on the label though it's not problem to email it over and get the coin via PayPal.

Pics of damage?


The converter is in the shop at home and I'm at work. It is pretty minimal, though, just a few thou deep from the front bushing riding on the snout. Nothing excessive, just makes it leak past a little. I'm going to check with one more local place and then I planned on calling Turbo Action once I get the #'s off the converter.

Thanks for the offer!


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

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Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Depending on how bad it's worn, you can turn it down and use a Turbo 400 input bushing in the transmission to take up the loose space. The OD of the 400 bushing is the same as the 727, the ID is smaller. Select in New York did this for me on a 727 converter a few years back. I've had zero issues with it, and Ed told me he does this all the time on Torqueflites.


Very nice!

I need to get the front pump housing outer seal, gasket and pan gasket at a parts house today so I may pick one up and check it out.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: sixpakdodge] #2773863
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Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Depending on how bad it's worn, you can turn it down and use a Turbo 400 input bushing in the transmission to take up the loose space. The OD of the 400 bushing is the same as the 727, the ID is smaller. Select in New York did this for me on a 727 converter a few years back. I've had zero issues with it, and Ed told me he does this all the time on Torqueflites.


how much clearance should be allowed between the bushing ID and the snout OD ? TIA !
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Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: moparx] #2773891
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Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Depending on how bad it's worn, you can turn it down and use a Turbo 400 input bushing in the transmission to take up the loose space. The OD of the 400 bushing is the same as the 727, the ID is smaller. Select in New York did this for me on a 727 converter a few years back. I've had zero issues with it, and Ed told me he does this all the time on Torqueflites.


how much clearance should be allowed between the bushing ID and the snout OD ? TIA !
beer


.003-.005"

The 400 bushing is 1.885" ID, while the 727 is 1.890" ID.

Re: Torque converter repair sleeve? Anyone attempted? [Re: Jeremiah] #2774113
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Call it up and see if T/A will send you a UPS label on their commercial account Or have me print one and paypal the cost over and I'll email you the label. It can't be *that* expensive to ship it there and back to have it checked out and repaired correctly.

Let me know via PM if I can help on the label though it's not problem to email it over and get the coin via PayPal.

Pics of damage?


Going through the options this morning while I have some time. Called Turbo Action and they said $280.00 to replace the snout! This is before shipping! Jesus Jones... flame

Second call was to a local transmission shop. They can do it. For re-snouting it, centering it and cleaning it out, it's $220. I can live with that since it is just down the street and doesn't require $80 shipping.

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'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

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Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Depending on how bad it's worn, you can turn it down and use a Turbo 400 input bushing in the transmission to take up the loose space. The OD of the 400 bushing is the same as the 727, the ID is smaller. Select in New York did this for me on a 727 converter a few years back. I've had zero issues with it, and Ed told me he does this all the time on Torqueflites.


how much clearance should be allowed between the bushing ID and the snout OD ? TIA !
beer


.003-.005"

The 400 bushing is 1.885" ID, while the 727 is 1.890" ID.


thank you sir ! bow
beer

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If the wear groove is not too bad, simply order a couple different seals and measure, Most replacement seals put the lip in a slightly different spot. Just use the one that puts it in a different spot. I have taken off high mileage harmonic balancers, axle yokes, and converters that had several wear marks on them. Have used the stainless steel repair sleeves for balancers with good results, have never seen them for converters.

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Originally Posted by jwb123
If the wear groove is not too bad, simply order a couple different seals and measure, Most replacement seals put the lip in a slightly different spot. Just use the one that puts it in a different spot. I have taken off high mileage harmonic balancers, axle yokes, and converters that had several wear marks on them. Have used the stainless steel repair sleeves for balancers with good results, have never seen them for converters.



They are going to cut it apart and inspect it, too.

It really needs done as preventative maintenance. I put it through Hell and want to make sure it is up to the task when it goes back in.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by jwb123
If the wear groove is not too bad, simply order a couple different seals and measure, Most replacement seals put the lip in a slightly different spot. Just use the one that puts it in a different spot. I have taken off high mileage harmonic balancers, axle yokes, and converters that had several wear marks on them. Have used the stainless steel repair sleeves for balancers with good results, have never seen them for converters.



They are going to cut it apart and inspect it, too.

It really needs done as preventative maintenance. I put it through Hell and want to make sure it is up to the task when it goes back in.


I would expect it to need parts, every time I have sent a converter back to TA they recommend replacing parts after they look at it. Every time I have sent one back they have had lots of miles and passes on them as well so it makes sense, it just always cost more than I want lol.


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Did you pump have a babbit (silver) or bronze pump bushing. The babbit is softer and easier on converter snouts as far as wear.
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Originally Posted by dvw
Did you pump have a babbit (silver) or bronze pump bushing. The babbit is softer and easier on converter snouts as far as wear.
Doug


Bronze. ...and a friend clued me in about fhe babbit bearing.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.







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