Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
[Re: justinp61]
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This thread makes me sad.
Vinyl is the worst. Its ugly, its heavier than not having it, it adds complexity (ie: things that can go wrong), its a complicated process to add one if you never had it (all those little rivets, holes, finding good chrome), it accelerates rust... and being a Mopar, you dont need ANYTHING that helps rust. They break up a nice, simple looking muscle car, and from what i've learned, they were originally offered as a 'poor man's ragtop'... which to me is just weak. Thats kinda like adding Hemi billboards to your 318 car. I mean seriously... who came up with this idea? 'Hey, i know... lets glue a bunch ov FABRIC to this cool looking car... AND halve its lifespan by doing it!'
Dont do it man.
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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05/03/20 05:01 AM
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This thread makes me sad.
Vinyl is the worst. Its ugly, its heavier than not having it, it adds complexity (ie: things that can go wrong), its a complicated process to add one if you never had it (all those little rivets, holes, finding good chrome), it accelerates rust... and being a Mopar, you dont need ANYTHING that helps rust. They break up a nice, simple looking muscle car, and from what i've learned, they were originally offered as a 'poor man's ragtop'... which to me is just weak. Thats kinda like adding Hemi billboards to your 318 car. I mean seriously... who came up with this idea? 'Hey, i know... lets glue a bunch ov FABRIC to this cool looking car... AND halve its lifespan by doing it!'
Dont do it man. Hey don't sugar coat it and stop beating around the bush, just come out and say how you really feel about vinyl roofs Kind of share some of the same feelings about a vinyl roof and never gave it a thought of ever ordering my '69 Road Runner (in ;69) with one, or my actual first choice a 383 Dart GTS (or the M-code 440 Dart GTS if I could have found a dealer that knew anything about it ) with one either. Now I'm stuck with three '69 440 cars all with vinyl roofs, go figure? One Y4 gold (A12 RR <over there), one Y2 yellow (GTX above) and one F8 green M-code Dart GTS, all with black vinyl roofs. My leave it off of the Dart, that will surely make it a low key car as it's a stripe delete GTS.
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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05/03/20 05:09 AM
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This thread makes me sad.
Vinyl is the worst. Its ugly, its heavier than not having it, it adds complexity (ie: things that can go wrong), its a complicated process to add one if you never had it (all those little rivets, holes, finding good chrome), it accelerates rust... and being a Mopar, you dont need ANYTHING that helps rust. They break up a nice, simple looking muscle car, and from what i've learned, they were originally offered as a 'poor man's ragtop'... which to me is just weak. Thats kinda like adding Hemi billboards to your 318 car. I mean seriously... who came up with this idea? 'Hey, i know... lets glue a bunch ov FABRIC to this cool looking car... AND halve its lifespan by doing it!'
Dont do it man. You got it right Pale_Roader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_roof I guess that puts it in the same league as non-functional hood and side scoops on muscle cars or any vehicle for that matter eh?
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
[Re: NANKET]
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05/04/20 04:03 AM
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price...
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
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05/04/20 11:14 AM
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price... Wondering if either of you were old enough to buy (order) a new muscle car in the '60's or early '70's or "back in the day" as some call it?
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price... Wondering if either of you were old enough to buy (order) a new muscle car in the '60's or early '70's or "back in the day" as some call it? Nope, but I was old enough to see what was going on. And yes, way to many cars had vinyl tops! I had to clean my dads all the time. Or sure the add to the color combo but what a rust making pain in the backside.
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
[Re: Neil]
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05/04/20 11:54 AM
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i have owned my charger since 1970, and it has lived almost entirely inside it's whole life. however, there are a couple bubbles in the top next to the windshield trim i'm sure are caused by rust. the top is also dried out and cracked. as i will never restore this car, the next caretaker will have to decide what to do about this issue.
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
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05/05/20 01:52 PM
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price... You mean I can make my GTX and A12 Runner worth a minimums of $5,000 more just by removing the vinyl roofs..........sold, I mean the GTX for sure would look great without the vinyl roof and I would rather put the Lift-Off-Hood on a painted surface to add some character to the roof. An added benefit would be the increase in top speed with less air drag from the textured vinyl. I see no loss or gain with vinyl roofs, comes down to first, owner's choice, and then MAYBE color or trim or as in an A12 a place to put the hood at the gas station to check the oil or race track to tune or cool down the motor more quickly.......looked at NADA, Hagerty's and KBB and couldn't find a value deduction or value addition for vinyl roof. Purely a personal choice.......and no one "back in the day" was worried about the roof rusting with or without a vinyl roof, shoot my lower quarter panels and wheel well lips started to go within three or four years from the darn salted roadways in southwestern Pennsylvania way before any other area of the Road Runner. My 50 year old A12 RR with a vinyl roof has a little rust push at the C-pillar where the lead is for the full quarter panel. $5,000 less value is also a personal opinion. BTW IMO that white Charger above would look terrible without the vinyl roof........looks great to me ........and the owner too, if I can say that
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
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05/06/20 03:59 AM
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price... You mean I can make my GTX and A12 Runner worth a minimums of $5,000 more just by removing the vinyl roofs..........sold, I mean the GTX for sure would look great without the vinyl roof and I would rather put the Lift-Off-Hood on a painted surface to add some character to the roof. An added benefit would be the increase in top speed with less air drag from the textured vinyl. I see no loss or gain with vinyl roofs, comes down to first, owner's choice, and then MAYBE color or trim or as in an A12 a place to put the hood at the gas station to check the oil or race track to tune or cool down the motor more quickly.......looked at NADA, Hagerty's and KBB and couldn't find a value deduction or value addition for vinyl roof. Purely a personal choice.......and no one "back in the day" was worried about the roof rusting with or without a vinyl roof, shoot my lower quarter panels and wheel well lips started to go within three or four years from the darn salted roadways in southwestern Pennsylvania way before any other area of the Road Runner. My 50 year old A12 RR with a vinyl roof has a little rust push at the C-pillar where the lead is for the full quarter panel. $5,000 less value is also a personal opinion. BTW IMO that white Charger above would look terrible without the vinyl roof........looks great to me ........and the owner too, if I can say that I do believe that both ov us meant OUR value. I've never seen a + / - placed on vinyl roof in any value calculator. I dont think it matters. If anything... collectors like options... vinyl is yet another option. If anything, it adds value... i mean, in a collector sense. We meant... that buying a nice car with vinyl adds $5000 to OUR cost... because we'll be paying to remove it. BUT... i think you should peel that sh!te off all the same... you know... just cuz... A12's are sexxxxxxxxxy beasts...
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Re: Question: Value placed on vinyl top
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To answer the question on value. NEGATIVE $5000. If you need color to break it up then paint the roof, or choose a different color! Haha yup. If i was in the market for a shiny new muscle car and the otherwise perfect one came with vinyl, i'd have to factor in a roof repaint and bodywork into the price... Wondering if either of you were old enough to buy (order) a new muscle car in the '60's or early '70's or "back in the day" as some call it? Not sure why that would matter... but SADLY... nope. Well, maybe i shouldn't say sadly... because if i was, then i'd not be sitting here on Moparts kicking myself for the umteenth decade for selling my 63 Fuelie Split Window and my 71 Hemicuda for $5000 in the 80's... (because you KNOW i bloody would have...). Heh... i'm spared that hell anyways...
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