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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: calmopar] #2770197
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Hey, if you are in charge, and you think the numbers are going a direction you don't like, just stop reporting them.
Problem Solved, everything is looking rosy. eyes
https://sports.yahoo.com/florida-cu...-county-medical-examiners-173503327.html


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770199
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Analysis of “excess deaths” in USA:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-coronavirus-surge-deaths.html

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The U.S. has seen at least 66,000 more deaths than usual so far this year, according to government data, and the new coronavirus accounts for much—but not all—of the increase.

Usually the nation sees about 1 million deaths by the end of April, meaning the rise is in the neighborhood of 7%.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which posted the data this week, found the new coronavirus was reported as a cause in about half the excess deaths. It's likely the virus was a factor in many other deaths too, said Robert Anderson, who oversees the CDC's death statistics work.

But COVID-19 isn't the sole reason for the jump.

Medical examiners say drug overdoses, falls and certain types of accidents around the house may be up. Experts also believe at least some of the excess deaths may have been people with heart problems or other conditions who decided not to go to a hospital because of concerns they were filled with coronavirus-infected people.

"Everybody's afraid to go to the hospital. And they may be dying more frequently because they're not taking care of their coronary," said Dr. Arnold Monto, a University of Michigan researcher who studies flu and coronaviruses.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770203
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Remdesivir Clinical trial result: mildly helpful

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-coronavirus-drug.html

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Remdesivir reduced the time patients were in the hospital by 31% to 11 days on average versus 15 days for those just given usual care, preliminary results of the study found.

The drug also might be reducing deaths, although that's not certain from the partial results revealed so far.

About 8% of those on the drug died
versus 11.6% of the comparison group,
but the difference is not large enough for scientists to say for sure that the drug was the reason.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770204
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Since normal traffic fatalities are 30-40K a year, I would think those deaths would be down greatly, over past 6 weeks, maybe a 10% decrease at this point in total deaths in US?

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770206
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With many viruses ( not just coronaviruses)
is is common for some people to get infected and feel no illness or symptoms:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-infected-coronavirus-symptoms-physician-asymptomatic.html

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770207
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I would like to see 2 more studies run
on Quercetin
and Pepcid ( generic Famotidine)
similar to the
“Can it protect healthy people from ever even getting infected”
study just announced on Hydroxychloroquine below...

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-antimalarial-drug-hydroxychloroquine-infection-covid-.html

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: 360view] #2770216
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How the heck could that be a reliable study, unless the exposure to COVID is identical and deliberate, and who would submit to that? eek


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2770234
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Originally Posted by jcc
].........numbers are going a direction you don't like........

fake data feeds into the illusion all is really, really great

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Runner2go] #2770265
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Originally Posted by Runner2go

And yet Sweden is doing just fine, sans lock down.


Ya mean that social democratic country that's a paragon for Millennials everywhere?

Sweden (and, for the most part, Scandinavia as a whole) is an interesting country. They have always marched to a different drummer, which is evident by their furniture, automobiles, porn, historically homogenous population, and a ton of other things.

So from the get-go, it would not be unusual for Sweden to try things in a different manner. Comparing them to the US is like comparing apples to lingonberries.

Sweden has a strong health care system that has not experienced a shortage of medical equipment or hospital capacity. In fact, if you dig deep, you'll find they've set up tent facilities that have remained mostly empty because their health care infrastructure can handle the population.

Likewise, Sweden has a large segment of the population that lives alone, which makes social distancing a snap.

Telecommuting is quite common in Sweden, so the only cough you hear is your own. That requires strong Internet access, which Sweden has--a boon to productivity.

Like us, Sweden is having problems with the rate of infection of residents of nursing homes. But have you compared Sweden's overall infection and death rate to Norway and Denmark's? Certainly it's not something to crow about, although less than the key European countries like Italy. If you look at this page, you can see how Sweden isn't doing quite fine despite your assertion:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

That's not to say they're handing it the wrong way, but the way you frame it is disingenuous.

Sweden's insularity is in its favor because the country can count on individuals taking responsibility. That's not something that can be said of the United States, unfortunately, what with these Federalist Warriors and second-rate idiots ruining it for the rest of us. That's why we have legislation to regulate behavior, while Swedes are content to follow the rules.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #2770269
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Reports are all over the map, including regarding Sweden. Who knows.
Bad data is everywhere.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2770273
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Bad data is everywhere.


Finally. The statement that sums up the news/info on this virus.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: Ramrod39] #2770283
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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
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Bad data is everywhere.


Finally. The statement that sums up the news/info on this virus.


Not so fast, Not all data is bad.

Making one think all data is bad is on some peoples agenda.

Often the bigger problem is drawing conclusions from data is really the inherent problem, not the actual data.

How one decides on what to accept,and take responsibility for that personal decision, is what separates the men from the boys.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2770307
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Well, if people like/don't like how/who/what is counted or not counted they ought to really like/don't like how the metrics of the new drug trial remdesivir have been modeled/remodeled to report/imply/project effectiveness.

Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: calmopar] #2770327
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Originally Posted by calmopar
Quarantine, besides buying time for a vaccine, buys time for an effective treatment that can lower the mortality rate for those who are infected. Vaccines and herd immunity are great, of course, but effective treatment is also a life-saver.

You are right... the thing that is needed is an effective readily available treatment.
That will allow everyone to get infected & build up a natural immunity to it, which is likely more effective than a vaccine anyway. As soon as a treatment is found that is effective, and expensive enough to pad all the right pockets, it will be approved. The combo of hydroxychloroquine, z-pac & zinc was too cheap to fit that final requirement, and thus had to be squashed so a more appropriately priced replacement could be found.

Vaccine is never going to be a "cure all" fix... the Flu vaccine has a 37% effective rate and the world thinks that's an acceptable level. Covid-19 is a Corona virus... same family as the "Common Cold"... how's that common cold vaccine working out??? SARS was a corona virus as well... and eventually "they claimed" to have created a viable vaccine for it around 2005... but it's effective rate is unknown, as its still in the meat locker somewhere, because SARS died off (or mutated it's way to non lethal) before they finished testing it.



Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: srt] #2770346
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Originally Posted by srt
Well, if people like/don't like how/who/what is counted or not counted they ought to really like/don't like how the metrics of the new drug trial remdesivir have been modeled/remodeled to report/imply/project effectiveness.


Couldn't/might have said/written it better/nicer myself. up


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2770355
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Originally Posted by jcc
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Bad data is everywhere.


Finally. The statement that sums up the news/info on this virus.


Not so fast, Not all data is bad.

Making one think all data is bad is on some peoples agenda.

Often the bigger problem is drawing conclusions from data is really the inherent problem, not the actual data.

How one decides on what to accept,and take responsibility for that personal decision, is what separates the men from the boys.


Here is Illinois' Public Health Director in a news conference;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clt...1metS52jsGFUJzJxQxgQlGExP3zJt_kqUAbpMzWo

Anyone and everyone that tests positive for the virus at the time of death is counted as a Coronavirus death even if it wasn't the cause of death. How much clearer can they make the point that they are padding the numbers in order to justify their actions? If this isn't a perfect example of bad data, then what would be?

We have no idea how many Coronavirus deaths there have been.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: DaveRS23] #2770362
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
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Bad data is everywhere.


Finally. The statement that sums up the news/info on this virus.


Not so fast, Not all data is bad.

Making one think all data is bad is on some peoples agenda.

Often the bigger problem is drawing conclusions from data is really the inherent problem, not the actual data.

How one decides on what to accept,and take responsibility for that personal decision, is what separates the men from the boys.


Here is Illinois' Public Health Director in a news conference;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clt...1metS52jsGFUJzJxQxgQlGExP3zJt_kqUAbpMzWo

Anyone and everyone that tests positive for the virus at the time of death is counted as a Coronavirus death even if it wasn't the cause of death. How much clearer can they make the point that they are padding the numbers in order to justify their actions? If this isn't a perfect example of bad data, then what would be?

We have no idea how many Coronavirus deaths there have been.


So? If they are transparent about that, what is the problem? The listener/reader must see thru the smoke, IN EVERY case.

Person dies after a gunshot, did the gun kill the person, the person that pulled the trigger, the person that deflected the bullet, the bullet, or the person that did not administer first aid and let the deceased bleed out, etc

the legal definition "But for......." is where it gets subjective.

A case can also be made some want to lower COVID death counts, to fit their own agenda.

Altruistic honesty is not a given in today's world it seems.

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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2770379
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: jcc] #2770383
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Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

So you think that knowing the real impact of this virus doesn't matter? Man, you just have an insatiable addiction to Kool-Aid.


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Re: The official Coronavirus thread [Re: DaveRS23] #2770398
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Managing the death rate or not, the CDC compiles all death statistics that show a substantial increase thus far this year (trend over proceeding years). Lacking any other active pandemic, natural disaster, apolycypse it's believed the spike is covid related. Give it enough time and the health statisticians will use their skills to zero in on the number of people dead because of the pandemic. That will take some time though and some data is not being reported and some is being scrutinized for accuracy. If Covid is not killing all these people there seems there should be another identifiable cause. Some reports show workplace and traffic accident deaths are down and that those negative numbers would be further exacerbate the unidentified higher numbers.
One needs to ask: as covid preys on people that have underlying health issues, sans covid, would those dead be alive today?

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