Re: OEM oil filter
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04/04/09 08:22 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms
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So were talking a car that has been off the road since 1984 ?. I would think the car would have had several oil changes pryer to this???. What filter was mopar useing in the early 80's.
There is a picture of a room full of Hemi engines sitting at a Lynch Road assembly plant in this months Winged Warriors news letter. They look like they are missing the carburetors,exhaust manifolds and OIL filter. The starters and valve covers are on them, and painted black. These engines look like they are painted...so how does the exhaust manifolds, and oil filter get painted?? All the information I have seen says these items were on the engine when painted. I have read where the carbs and valve covers had a box put over them when the engine was painted. But what about the starter? I can't believe they painted the whole engines twice?
Thanks Dan
This can be explained very easily. One picture does not usually tell a complete story, it just adds a piece to the puzzle. Concerning the Hemi carburetors being installed when painted. Based on evidence I've seen in recent years I am fairly certain that they were not installed when the engines were painted, but the intake did have a cover (probably metal and probably flat) that was installed when they were painted.
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/04/09 08:39 PM
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David Walden
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Dave, could you explain why you would drive to the back to the parts department when you received a new car and had to get a new oil filter or battery?
Is this a trick question? I didn't literally mean that anyone would want to buy a new battery, oil filter or battery cables the day they picked up their car. I was simply trying to illustrate (or make the point) that those service parts were the only ones available from day one. Even on September 1st, 1969 you could not buy a green oil filter from the parts department at a Chrysler authorized dealership.
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/04/09 08:50 PM
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Hey Wild Bill! Glad to see you could make it to this party. The oil filters were truly a “factory” piece in the scheme of things. Some of the assembly line parts were never put into “service” after the fact. They had parts to function as the factory versions but did not have the same cosmetic appearance. Other items such as Batteries and Battery Cables fit into this category. In 1970 if you picked up your new car and immediately drove around the back to the parts department, you would not get the same battery that came in the car from the assembly line. The same is true for the oil filters. If you went to the parts counter in 1969 or 1970, you would not receive the “green” style filter. The white (with blue print) “sand grain top” version is what you would have received. A year or two later Chrysler came out with the red, white and blue version oil filter. There was an early style of that particular filter followed by some other variations of the “flag” colored unit. Chrysler was not the only manufacturer that had these types of scenarios taking place regarding their replacement parts.
Dave,
I don't remember 100% either way as to whether we used the green filters or not for service, but the Chrysler Parts filters were definitely used, and then late 72/early 73 or so the red, white and blue logo was starting to appear on filters and many other things. I thought the logo was so cool that during one of my training classes at the Tappan, NY Zone Parts Depot/Sales/Training Center (which was only 5 miles from my dealership, and it is still there), I talked the instructor into "appropriating" some of the new Mopar decals (they were about a foot square) from the Sales Dept.
Regarding batteries, service replacements carried the same part numbers, but were not exactly the same pieces. As far as I remember, positive battery cables were the same per application, but negatives were all the same length, unlike production versions. We also had one of those universal battery cable displays. The universal radiator hose display (with the flex hoses)was hung on the wall as well. Alternators, carburetors and distributors were of course sold as service (not production) versions also.
Bill Rolik
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/07/09 05:10 PM
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/07/09 06:36 PM
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The 426 Hemi Engine was cast, machined and assembled at the Marine Engine Division Plant in Marysville, Michigan. The 361,383, 400, 413 and 440 engines were built at Trenton engine plant in Trenton, Michigan.
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/07/09 08:07 PM
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The 426 Hemi Engine was cast, machined and assembled at the Marine Engine Division Plant in Marysville, Michigan.
Thanks Big Dave! I corrected my mistake.
Note: In 1953, the marine engine plant (Jefferson Avenue) moved to a new plant in Trenton, Michigan, which was to become the Trenton Engine plant. That division split into two, the Marine Division and the Industrial Products Division. In 1963 they were moved from the Jefferson Avenue plant to expanded facilities at Marysville, Michigan.
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/08/09 05:44 AM
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Jefferson Assembly Plant on Jefferson Ave Clairpoint - On Clairpoint Ave Marine Division on Clairpoint Ave
All located in Detroit, MI. This photo was taken in 1962
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/08/09 10:07 AM
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The 426 Hemi Engine was cast, machined and assembled at the Marine Engine Division Plant in Marysville, Michigan. The 361,383, 400, 413 and 440 engines were built at Trenton engine plant in Trenton, Michigan.
What about the Indianapolis foundry? We had a tour there a few years ago. At that time, we were told they had cast performance blocks including the Hemi. They spoke of Hemi blocks that had weathered outside for several years at the end of production.
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/08/09 10:30 AM
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The 426 Hemi Engine was cast, machined and assembled at the Marine Engine Division Plant in Marysville, Michigan. The 361,383, 400, 413 and 440 engines were built at Trenton engine plant in Trenton, Michigan.
What about the Indianapolis foundry? We had a tour there a few years ago. At that time, we were told they had cast performance blocks including the Hemi. They spoke of Hemi blocks that had weathered outside for several years at the end of production.
That Indy plant has been leveled. The blocks cast there were Mopar Peformance aftermarket hemi blocks, not original production blocks.
logan426
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Re: OEM oil filter
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04/08/09 12:06 PM
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The 426 Hemi Engine was cast, machined and assembled at the Marine Engine Division Plant in Marysville, Michigan. The 361,383, 400, 413 and 440 engines were built at Trenton engine plant in Trenton, Michigan.
What about the Indianapolis foundry? We had a tour there a few years ago. At that time, we were told they had cast performance blocks including the Hemi. They spoke of Hemi blocks that had weathered outside for several years at the end of production.
That Indy plant has been leveled. The blocks cast there were Mopar Peformance aftermarket hemi blocks, not original production blocks.
logan426
That's wild that the place is gone. It was a huge facility and they spent millions updating it in the 90's. I think it closed late in 2005. We went through there in the summer of 2002.
What did they cast there in the 60's & 70's then? The old timers we talked to spoke of raw Hemi blocks sitting in the yard into 1974. They were not talking about modern blocks.
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