Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 11:42 PM
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It is cryptic often by choice, good observation. Let me partially decode this particular subject, I chose not to explain/answer the previous questions further, nor explain why. Okay, thank you for responding anyway.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/18/20 11:59 PM
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In any profit-driven industry, spending capital (money) on capacity you're not likely to ever use can be considered a waste of money. A report I heard this morning is the proposed stationng of hospital ships on opposite coasts will be used for ordinary (non cv19) hospitalizations while existing, cobbled, and temporary hospitals will be used for the welling population of young(ish) cv19 ill. Didn't hear where the +55 (retired + ss/medicaid?) will be sequestered. I've always felt that any operation/business (I managed airports and other public facilities) should not spend all their profits on bonuses and dividends. Seems in the old days we saved up and worked extra jobs to get through winter, now industries (many non essential) immediately stick their hand out the moment a downturn materializes. I'm particularly surprised of the immediate wails for relief made by the cruise (foreign licensed ships and foreign employs) and resort industry.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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I've always felt that any operation/business (I managed airports and other public facilities) should not spend all their profits on bonuses and dividends. Seems in the old days we saved up and worked extra jobs to get through winter, now industries (many non essential) immediately stick their hand out the moment a downturn materializes. I'm particularly surprised of the immediate wails for relief made by the cruise (foreign licensed ships and foreign employs) and resort industry. Indeed. Look at the airline industry right now. Spent their profits and tax breaks on stock buy backs (raises their stock value), and now want 50 billion-ish to survive. And people wonder why young people have a bad view of the way things work. I'm not saying investors don't deserve a return on their money, but they should have a bit of risk too. Socialism/bailouts for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor, is starting to annoy a whole lot of people. ------------------ Italian messages to their 10 day younger selves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_cImRzKXOshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 02:49 AM
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Unfortunately for us, the planet Earth does need a major Pandemic to wipe this parasite called Human off its face. In 5 million years Earth will still go around the sun, with or without us being alive.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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and another big factor for the 80+ deaths being higher is. there was a limited number of hospital beds and proper equipment, more sick than beds available. so the doctors chose to treat the younger patients with the available ventilators, and the elderly got the nothing. because of this the elderly had a higher death rate than it should have been. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/italy-elderly-coronavirus/ I heard on the newstoday regarding Italy, per capita they have a larger quantity of beds and equipment then the US. I have no way to confirm. i read something similar. by me the hospitals are nearly filled to capacity already and the illness spread is not at peak levels yet, and won't be for a while.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 11:06 AM
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Not just dry cough and later fever, early symptoms of COVID-19 are not wanting to eat and the runs. Sample quote Nearly half of COVID-19 patients enrolled in the study conducted in the Hubei province of China presented digestive symptoms, such as diarrhea and anorexia, and cited it as their chief complaint. The study also reveals that patients with digestive symptoms had a longer gap between the onset of symptoms and hospital admission than patients presenting only respiratory symptoms and were less likely to be cured and discharged than those without digestive symptoms. End quote From https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-digestive-symptoms-prominent-covid-patients.html
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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Chinese medical researchers revise death rate down to 1.4% after more detailed analysis but finds that those over age 59 are 5.1 times more likely to die than those under 59. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-covid-mortality-outbreak-epicentre.htmlSample quote The authors concluded that the risk of contracting a moderate to severe infection increased roughly four percent per year among adults aged 30-60 years. End quote
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240432285184405505.htmlLots of science, then this conclusion: 14) Now, what does this all mean? A) With this assay we can figure out who was infected and who wasn't. That means we can determine the true infection rate and infection fatality rate. B) We can use the assay to screen for people who seroconverted and are now immune.....
15)...and they can donate their serum and it can maybe used to treat patients. C) We can test health care workers and ask the ones who are already immune to work with infectious patients. In that way the virus is not easily spread to colleagues or other patients. And D) ....
16)...we can now use this assay to better study how our immune response reacts to the virus. And then there are two more take home messages that are important: First, it looks like we are all naive, meaning we have no immunity whatsoever to SARS-CoV-2. That would....
17)....explain why it spreads so quickly. And second, it means we make an immune response to the spike. Antibodies to the RBD domain are often neutralizing, and it is likely (but needs to be confirmed) that once the antibody response sets in, we become protected.
18) Please keep in mind that these conclusions are preliminary and based on small numbers. Larger studies to confirm this are needed and ongoing. We have started to share the reagents globally and hope that this or similar assays can be set up in many places.
19) Finally, I want to thank the student who took the lead on this, Fatima Amanat as well as my whole group of dedicated students, postdocs, techs and assistant professors who dropped all their beloved influenza work to help out with creating tools to fight SARS-CoV-2.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 12:32 PM
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well so much for my planning on staying home for months, the person I talk about from time to time that I take care of had a cardiac event and it took cpr to get this person back yesterday afternoon.
So off I went on the 30 mile drive to the er of a town of 3k. There is no point in calling the meat wagon here, its 45minutes then the long run to the hospital.
I was not allowed in the ER, sucked, but do to this person prior issues, they chemically delt with the svt issue and watched for an hour and we all agreed home was best. I have a defib unit here so other then the svt issue and blood work things can be done here.
Now how much did I put this person at risk and myself? I tried the sneaky ice water in the face deal that has worked a few times but for me to use the defib unit at home is a very very last resort.
She is in here mid sixties, 2 heart attacks, 2 strokes, 7 svt-s, 2 took a defib, 2 after heart ablation?. I hope we skated through.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 12:46 PM
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well so much for my planning on staying home for months, the person I talk about from time to time that I take care of had a cardiac event and it took cpr to get this person back yesterday afternoon.
So off I went on the 30 mile drive to the er of a town of 3k. There is no point in calling the meat wagon here, its 45minutes then the long run to the hospital.
I was not allowed in the ER, sucked, but do to this person prior issues, they chemically delt with the svt issue and watched for an hour and we all agreed home was best. I have a defib unit here so other then the svt issue and blood work things can be done here.
Now how much did I put this person at risk and myself? I tried the sneaky ice water in the face deal that has worked a few times but for me to use the defib unit at home is a very very last resort.
She is in here mid sixties, 2 heart attacks, 2 strokes, 7 svt-s, 2 took a defib, 2 after heart ablation?. I hope we skated through. Wow. So sorry to hear all of that. What an awful situation.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 12:56 PM
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Thanks Charger, it will be ok.
I dont know how the pros do it, but when ya got a person on the floor with that blank dead stare like the dead cats along the road its 80% panic/ 20% dealing with the situation.
I know from the Army its easy to disconnect from everything but when its someone you love dearly if flipping blows.
But shes not in a nursing home and never will be.
The one time I had to shock her at home she hit 30/0 and was awake when I hit her at the lowest setting, she let out a groan like a horse giving birth saying please not again but with seconds was normal rhythm.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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BREAKING NEWS— President Trump announced on Thursday the US will IMMEDIATELY make the drug Chloroquine available to treat US coronavirus patients!
On Monday Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, announced that the first trial vaccine for the coronavirus is now being tested. The trial taking place in Seattle, which has been a hotbed for COVID-19. The test includes 45 people age 18-55 and they are receiving two injections, one at zero days, one at 28 days. The individuals will then be followed for one year. The trial results is still months away.
On Monday night Laura Ingraham reported that a new study revealed the anti-viral medication chloroquine is successful in fighting the coronavirus.
** An Effective Treatment for Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Laura invited Dr. Gregory Rigano, the co-author of the study to discuss the latest findings.
Dr. Rigano said their study found that those COVID-19 patients who took hydroxy-chloroquine were found free of the disease in 6 days. The patients were testing negative for the coronavirus in six days!
Dr. Rigano also said taking choroquine could act as a preventative.
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Re: The official Coronavirus thread
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03/19/20 01:26 PM
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Under these circumstances, I would be more reassured hearing this and detailed info from a real MD, rather then the door greeter, especially one less contentious.
My above comment refers to the initial comment I replied to regarding the live TV news conference I also watched that began at approx 11:30am today, announced by a person who multiple times stumbled with the correct pronunciation of the drugs name, among other things.
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Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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