Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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Harry's Taxi 2
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Yep, any chance Andy F. gets he will try and shove that EFI crap down your throat for various reasons and one being his ties w/Holley.......I see some like em and see many for sale and I will put one of my carbs up against any of those if anyone want to get down and I tried to do this years ago w/Andy but he wanted no part of it...... I see you have long ago figured him out. I will say his book did have some very good photography......maybe that would be a better career choice.
'86 Maple Grove KOS Mopar low qualifier......true street legal with no power adders.
NOS-used when losing since 1940.
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: Harry's Taxi 2]
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03/14/20 03:55 PM
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Why bash Andy for giving you his advice? He’s done more testing of what works and what doesn’t then most people here. I’ve been trying to “shove efi down you throats” for years. Along with distributorless ignition. Andy has only recently ( comparatively) seen the HUGE advantages of efi. To write a book excluding efi now, would be a dis-service. If I were running a carb, I would need to call Thumper to get it to run correctly. ( or as correctly as possible) Flipside... There is no one that can match the way My efi tuned engines run over the entire operating spectrum with a carb/ distributor engine. Oh... and still in the 470 camp
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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03/14/20 04:17 PM
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AndyF
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Well I can see that Moparts is alive and well. I asked a question about strokers and it has turned into a bash session. I appreciate the advice on here but it seems as though I need to give more thought on posting. Doesn't seem worth it really. Oh, and Andy F. Thanks for your advice, and there are some on here that do appreciate your knowledge. Thanks and no problem. Take a serious look at that SCAT 4.150 kit, it might be the best bang for the buck available right now and it should work perfect with a Trick Flow top end. If you decide to go with the Sniper just post any questions on here. There are a few folks on here now who can help with EFI questions.
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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03/14/20 04:36 PM
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Andy's opinions and advice have been valuable to me over the years. Whether it comes from his posts or in his books it's solid and honest. Nobody is perfect in this world. If you don't agree with his view of things fine but it's always good to hear other opinions. Moparts is a better place because of his input.
62 Dodge Dart Wagon
65 Plymouth Satellite
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: cb1289]
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So how does a stoker post turn into an EFI post. Lol 😂
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/14/20 07:55 PM
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DaveRS23
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Because of this statement;
"If I updated that book today I would add a whole chapter on EFI and would highly recommend that everyone ditch their carbs and switch to a Sniper. I hate to see people spending $12,000 for a new 500 inch stroker engine and then wearing it out in a few thousand miles because their double pumper dumps so much extra fuel into the engine. I have an engine in the shop right now that was ruined by running rich. The customer said he only had 500 miles on it but it is wore out. He is switching to EFI."
Master, again and still
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: mgoblue9798]
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03/15/20 02:39 AM
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let me guess who started this mess.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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03/15/20 10:02 AM
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Of all the strokers that people have built over the years, what is the best/most popular for the b engine and why? For a street strip car of course. Any of them even non stroker combo's. I would probably stay away from a 361 block. I would think the advantage to a b engine is the heads. 290-300cfm should be no problem and even on a 383 with some squeeze and cam should go pretty good. What et are you thinking?
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: Uberpube]
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03/15/20 11:55 AM
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The same tools for tuning efi are availabe for carbs, Wideband 02's and dyno's. There really isn't any excuse for driving around with a ring eating carb anymore outside of shear laziness and maybe being one of those people who's commute to work is so short that the choke never comes off. Even the old narrowband 02's just hooked up to a digital volt meter really helped me dial in a thermoquad 20 years ago. This is funny and because if some don't understand how to "clean up" a carb, they push EFI.....Tell my 100's of customers this stuff and they will tell ya how great they work after some tuning just like EFI. Ray Meyers won Drag Week years ago w/a Dommy I did and even got up to 16 mpg's......I have guys that have lots of data(Race Pack for one)that shoot me data so that we can smooth/change the curve w/just a bleed change most of the time cos once the jetting is where it needs to be it's a simple matter of curve manipulation just like carb sizing.......
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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03/15/20 02:26 PM
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The bigger the motor, with good heads of course, the more power it will make I've built a bunch of BB Mopars from stock stroke to 4.500 stroke, the top end limits the power per cubic inch on N/A motors. I've made 1.31 HP per C.I. N/A with ported stock type heads with bigger valves with a single four barrel carb on pump gas. The most HP per C.I. N/A bracket motor on race gas I've built and dyno tested made 1.7 HP per C.I. with a single Holley Dominator carb, it was 539.5 C.I. and made a little over 920 HP at 7000 RPM with a set of Koffel prep B-1 heads and cast intake that was around 5 yrs ago and it was not a all out go fast motor. The next one like it will make more power than that one did, increased knowledge helps make more power On your deal a 400 stroker or a 440 stroker with a 4.25 stroke should work great with all the rest of the right parts It depends on how much power you want and how much you want to spend on it to get the results you want
Last edited by Cab_Burge; 03/15/20 02:27 PM.
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
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03/15/20 03:52 PM
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I probably had the lowest form of a stroker RB in existence.... low shift point, it preferred a 4.10 gear, and got my Mirada into the 9’s. It was boring and like driving a tractor I’d love to have port fuel injection on my small block. Would be an expensive endeavor, but I’d love to have a flat stock style hood on my car ....but I’m a cheap mopar guy so carbs it is! (FI vs CARB! .....it’s like the new moparts tube K topic!! )
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
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03/15/20 04:04 PM
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Interesting thread, mainly because I'm pondering a stock-appearing-383 build using a big 400. I want Stealth heads, 800 AVS2 & Perf RPM intake both modded to appear stock, factory tin, and exh manifolds. Something happy with 3.23s & 28" tire, 4-speed, 3600-3800 lb B-body. Throttle response, grunt, but still happy at prolonged 2800-3200 cruise RPM (70-75MPH). Longest stroke I've owned & used like that so far is 4.00", and I know the exhaust will be essentially a cork. If this is a hijack, let me know and I'll do another thread.
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
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03/15/20 05:20 PM
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I probably had the lowest form of a stroker RB in existence.... low shift point, it preferred a 4.10 gear, and got my Mirada into the 9’s. It was boring and like driving a tractor I’d love to have port fuel injection on my small block. Would be an expensive endeavor, but I’d love to have a flat stock style hood on my car ....but I’m a cheap mopar guy so carbs it is! (FI vs CARB! .....it’s like the new moparts tube K topic!! ) I got the Holley HP unit.. have MPFI and pretty much all the bells and whistles... love it so far.. still learning all the different things it will do,, got it on my Rampage
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Re: Best Big block stroker?
[Re: mopar dave]
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03/15/20 06:09 PM
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I actually built a 493 for my street car. I stayed with the RB block in case I ever want to put the crossram on it. But I am very pleased with the combo as its a great street car and drives very nice. I always drive it everywhere I go as I don't own a car trailer so I drive it the 45 miles to the track. I used a basic 440Source kit with a 4.15 crank and a .030 over 440 block. Indy EZ heads and the Indy dual plane intake. Its a solid flat tappet cam and I use an 850 Holley DP and a Mallory dist with MP ign unit. I just built it to be a nice driver that would run 10's in full street trim. I built good quench in the eng and the cust cam helps keep the cyl pressure pump gas friendly. I run the 92 pump in my area as the eng came out at 10.6 comp and has no detonation ever with 36 total timing. I built this eng in 2011 as there was no Trick Flow heads back then so I don't know if they are a better deal then the basic EZ heads I use. But I love it as it was a simple build for me and I have been driving it and racing it once or twice a year for 9 years now. It usually runs 10.80's driven to the track and raced through the full exh just as I drive it. Best et is 10.76 @ 125. Myself I love the 850 Holley double pumper carb I run. I worked it some so it drives and cruises on a nice clean AFR and I jet the secondary for mph at the track. That's way it does not run to rich cruising around or foul plugs. We have the Holley Sniper EFI on my sons 400 Dart and he loves it but I honestly still love my carb setup on my hotrod. The EFI is nice but it was no faster on his car as his was actually a tad faster on the 750 DP carb. If you like EFI use it and if you like to stay with a carb use it. It helps using a carb if you know carbs well or have a friend that's good with carbs so you get it set up right for your combo. Good luck to you. Ron
Last edited by 383man; 03/15/20 06:15 PM.
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