Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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When I did my former 1970 Challenger. I bought an NOS 1970 Valve in the box. and it was the black and red bakelight valve
Its also what was on the car when i bought it as well. and at the time the car was completely unrestored original paint
Now whether or not the one on the car was factory original, ???? i have no idea
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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The 71 Barracuda (318 with AC) that I now own was purchased by my father in October 1971 with 13,000 miles on the odometer. The SPD was 115. It had the metal control valve. I know that for a fact. I was a teenager at the time. My dad and I worked on the car. I remember when the valve failed. Now, could it have been replaced during the first 13K miles? Possibly, but I doubt it.
In 2014, I purchased another 71 Barracuda (318 with AC). I bought it from the original owner with 116,540 miles on the odometer. The SPD was 625. In his garage I found a big box of junk that included the original carburetor. Also in that box was the red-black control valve that I believed to be the original.
I believe that during the 71 production run, the valve was transitioned from the metal style to the plastic style.
David
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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Tony.....next trip you take to GYC, walk around and look under some hoods. Surely as many cars are sitting there, more than one will have factory AC, and if you're lucky they might have the original valve. Long ago, I had a 70 Challenger R/T with factory air. If I remember correctly, it had the metal valve. Can't confirm it because I never took any pics.
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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I used to have one of the NOS metal valves mentioned here,,, back when I had my challenger and I saw NO WAY it would mount to the inner fender like the red/black phenolic valves does. I got lucky and found one nos valve in the 1970 part number box ( found it on ebay not to long after I bought the car in the mid / late 90s time frame ) and it was the red / black valve. Its what was on the car when I sold it
MY personal opinion ( Its worth what you paid for I know ) is the 70-71 had the bake light valves ,, metal came later.
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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I used to have one of the NOS metal valves mentioned here,,, back when I had my challenger and I saw NO WAY it would mount to the inner fender like the red/black phenolic valves does. I got lucky and found one nos valve in the 1970 part number box ( found it on ebay not to long after I bought the car in the mid / late 90s time frame ) and it was the red / black valve. Its what was on the car when I sold it
MY personal opinion ( Its worth what you paid for I know ) is the 70-71 had the bake light valves ,, metal came later. I would agree. From what I can figure, the only difference between 1970 and 1971 would not be in the red/black valve vs the metal one, but the different metal bracket to mount that valve to the fender. 1971 production(after all the 1970 ones were used up) had a notch in the passenger side fender with a hole in that notch for mounting the bracket, where the water valve was attached to it. 1970 as you know, did not have that notch. The mounting brackets are very different for 1970 and 1971. I can post a picture of the 1970 version tonight if no one else posts one before then.
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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This is the bracket on my un-restored 71 automatic 318 air Barracuda. The distance between the mounting holes is 1 7/8 inch from center to center.
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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This is the bracket on my un-restored 71 automatic 318 air Barracuda. The distance between the mounting holes is 1 7/8 inch from center to center. The witness marks sure look like a bakelite valve was on there to me. I had a 1971 318 barracuda that had a metal valve, looked original, but can't say for sure.
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Re: 1970 E-body a/c water valve
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Hey 4406bbl, I agree with you 100%. I took that picture this evening. When I looked at the image on my laptop, I was shocked to see that imprint on the bracket. You don't really notice it with the naked eye. But the flash from the camera really highlighted the imprint.
I have always taken pride in having an excellent memory. I remember the valve being metal. When it failed we put another metal one (aftermarket) in its place. I have the red-blake bakelite valve that came with my late June 71 Barracuda. I am going to trace the mounting surface onto some paper and compare the tracing to the imprint on the January bracket. If it matches...well, I won't know what to think!
David
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