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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: DAYCLONA] #2747646
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Originally Posted by DAYCLONA
Originally Posted by TrackPack
Judging by the air quality in China, you might as well say that everyone smokes.





How true!, having been in China/SE Asia the air pollution/quality is absolutely horrible, you have to experience it to comprehend how bad it really is, as far as smoking being a contributor to the virus's effects, Chinese cigarettes come in 2 variety's, low tar and high tar, the low tar cigs are like smoking unfiltered Camel cigs...horrible!

This is why any concerns about climate change and it's causes should be addressed in Mandarin and not English.


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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747647
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COVID-19 “might be” about three times more deadly than the 1918 “Spanish Flu”:

I say “might be” because with COVID-19 there may be large numbers with mild symptoms who are being left out of the infected count.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5911181/

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The 1918–1921 influenza pandemic killed an estimated 0.8% of the Arizona population in three closely spaced consecutive waves. The mortality impact of the fall 1918 wave in Arizona lies in the upper range of previous estimates reported for other US settings and Europe, with a telltale age distribution of deaths concentrated among young adults.

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My grandfather lived through the 1918 Flu as a WW-I soldier in training at training Camp Zachary Taylor in Louisville KY where several hundred of his fellow soldiers died.

About fifty yards away from the house I grew up in was a cemetery for a family that had previously owned the land. I started mowing that cemetery’s grass when I was about 9 years old. I noticed that half the graves were from the fall of 1918. My grandfather later explained to me about the 1918 Flu.

In 1976 when I was in college there was the Swine Flu danger when one odd H1N1 flu strain infected US soldier in training died after a 5 mile march. My grandfather long distance telephoned me over and over asking if I had gotten the vaccine yet. I was one of 48 million who got the Swine Flu shot and had zero bad reactions. Of the 48,000,000 vaccinated USA citizens a bit over 4000 filed a adverse reaction damage claim with the Federal government. Of this 4000 only 25 were for actual deaths.

Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747650
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Originally Posted by 360view
COVID-19 “might be” about three times more deadly than the 1918 “Spanish Flu”:

I say “might be” because with COVID-19 there may be large numbers with mild symptoms who are being left out of the infected count.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5911181/

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The 1918–1921 influenza pandemic killed an estimated 0.8% of the Arizona population in three closely spaced consecutive waves. The mortality impact of the fall 1918 wave in Arizona lies in the upper range of previous estimates reported for other US settings and Europe, with a telltale age distribution of deaths concentrated among young adults.

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My grandfather lived through the 1918 Flu as a WW-I soldier in training at training Camp Zachary Taylor in Louisville KY where several hundred of his fellow soldiers died.

About fifty yards away from the house I grew up in was a cemetery for a family that had previously owned the land. I started mowing that cemetery’s grass when I was about 9 years old. I noticed that half the graves were from the fall of 1918. My grandfather later explained to me about the 1918 Flu.

In 1976 when I was in college there was the Swine Flu danger when one odd H1N1 flu strain infected US soldier in training died after a 5 mile march. My grandfather long distance telephoned me over and over asking if I had gotten the vaccine yet. I was one of 48 million who got the Swine Flu shot and had zero bad reactions. Of the 48,000,000 vaccinated USA citizens a bit over 4000 filed a adverse reaction damage claim with the Federal government. Of this 4000 only 25 were for actual deaths.


And medical science and treatments haven't advanced any in the following century. whistling


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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747651
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Bill Gates raised from $10 million to $100 his contribution to fighting COVID-19

His opinion on what to do:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisett...once-in-a-century-pathogen/#291a69ad1200

Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747656
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It "might be" a good time to temporarily proactively severely restrict cash transactions (ie no change given, money only moves one way?), and require only non staff contact credit card transactions across the board.
Might want to also require hand sanitizer dispensers in public places, like at ATM's, gas pumps, etc.

Of course there is no "proof" of an impending calamity, kinda like "climate change"? eyes


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: Guitar Jones] #2747683
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Originally Posted by Dave_J
Originally Posted by 4406bbl


Everything targets the young and the old first, even the trash in our society target them first. On a positive note I heard today it is illegal to eat dogs and cats in China for now, so things should get better fast. What a s hole.


It was wild Bats in the open meat market that is said to have started this. They do taste like chicken when roasted.

Are chickens that scarce that they have to eat bats? I'll never understand people.




Chickens are indeed plentiful in China ( anything that moves is fair game for the dinner plate though), although the sightings of wild birds are very few and far between, the bats however are in great abundance on the main land, they fly day or night in large groups... as far as the open meat market, if you've never been to one in China, it's a truly vile disgusting affair.... I think the only other country that rivals China in the lack of hygiene is India.... I predict that when Covid-19 hits India, either it decimates the population, or because of the rampant filth in India, Covid-19 won't even take a foot hold... https://www.facebook.com/ClaudiaMoManChing/videos/1548335025322792/

Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: DAYCLONA] #2747689
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What has changed since the swine deal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak


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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #2747696
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Since the Swine Flu deal
the SARS disease appeared in 2004.

The people who died of SARS did not die in vain, because the USA and others reacted.
We have a USA made vaccine for SARS, and discovered that several drugs help treat it.

COVID-19 is a “cousin” of the SARS virus and the outer coat of the two viruses are about 20% identical.

The US government has also funded fast to make vaccines instead of slow to make Grown in egg vaccines.

For the last 3 years I have been taking the fast made “Flublok” influenza vaccine made from the cells of the corn borer caterpillar.

More than 20 companies are racing to make a vaccine right now.

Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747719
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Last week I read in Chinese health ministry reports that during the Year 2004 SARS virus episode
it was found that the old cheap Malaria drug Choloroquine Phosphate
( typical price overseas 4 USA cents per 250 mg pill)
helped SARS patients recover.

The Chinese were now reporting that COVID-19 patients were also doing better when given cheap Chloroquine Phosphate pills.

I decided to order 30 tablets from Costco Pharmacy,
which almost always has the cheapest USA drug prices.
As a Malaria drug very few US drug stores keep this in stock and Costco said they would have to order it from the warehouse and could not yet tell me a price.

I just called Costco Pharmacy to check.
Costco said it was still on backorder with no firm delivery date.
Costco said they did now have a price:
$501 for thirty tablets !

Supply and demand?

Mail order United Kingdom pharmacies are quoting $48 for sixty 250 mg pills.

Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: 360view] #2747722
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bats, cats, rats, they ALL tast like ChIcKeN when roasted. biggrin
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Originally Posted by moparx
bats, cats, rats, they ALL tast like ChIcKeN when roasted. biggrin
beer





Buffalo Bat Wings and a Corona Beer. Mmmmmm


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by moparx
bats, cats, rats, they ALL tast like ChIcKeN when roasted. biggrin
beer





Buffalo Bat Wings and a Corona Beer. Mmmmmm


corona bats and a buffalo beer you say ? devil
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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: moparx] #2747763
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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: second 70] #2747764
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Just heard from a very reliable source that this whole thing is a hoax. WOO! We're all good, folks. thumbs


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First death was “medically high risk patient”.....many people in other countries have recovered from this virus. My point being. If a person has “at risk health”, it is very likely they would have the same outcome with flu that leads to pneumonia. If SARS, H1N1, West Nile or none of them cut the world population in half, I find it hard to believe that this one will.

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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: not_a_charger] #2747782
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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Just heard from a very reliable source that this whole thing is a hoax. WOO! We're all good, folks. thumbs


Better be careful, you might get a vacation for getting political.💣 Thats not what was said, it was about the response to the virus, and you know it. It might be time to come together and leave the bs behind and work to solve this, not score points. ✌

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No idea what you're referring to. shruggy I was going off of what I read from a major news organization.


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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
No idea what you're referring to. shruggy I was going off of what I read from a major news organization.


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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: second 70] #2747793
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Ok, 1 confirmed death and 1 High School student in Washington state confirmed sick with this.

The HS student went to 2 different health care centers on Monday and was released. ???
He then went to SCHOOL while real sick. The school admin stopped him and sent him home to quarantine. It is STUPID stuff like this that will spread this virus.

Besides the Cover your Cough, these are MUSTS!!!
1. If you are sick, Stay HOME. Do not go to school or work.
2. If you are going to seek medical help, CALL them before arriving so they can meet you outside so they can gown and mask you up.
3. If you see someone that seems to be real sick in public and they are not masked up, stay very clear of them. That person should be told to leave the public areas and mask up.
4. Carry a N-95 rated face mask with you when going into public. You do not need to wear it but have it on your person in case you meet that person in #3 above.

You can not rely on our governments promises to keep you safe. You must protect yourself and family first.

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Re: COVID-19 hits older men, smokers harder [Re: Dave_J] #2747794
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I was at the grocery store yesterday. Some miserable shrew started coughing without covering her mouth, right in front of the yogurt section, when I was about 25 feet away. I turned around and walked away. No Greek yogurt in my lunch this week. flame


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