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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: GY3] #2746601
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Any idea where these parts were stamped? US? China?

If China, I bet this has something to do with it. That's just business.

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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2746876
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AMD parts are made in Taiwan, not China. Overall the Mopar line of parts that they offer, has not been profitable for them. By not profitable, I mean the line as a whole has not covered the tooling costs. They offer the Mopar parts,because they are Mopar guys, and they knew that there were no decent aftermarket sheetmetal parts for Mopars. The profit that they make from selling the Ford and GM parts has afforded them the luxury of being able to make Mopar sheetmetal. So if there is something that they offer for your Mopar project, I advise you to order it while it is still being offered. I think that they deserve a big thanks from the Mopar world for stepping up and making the parts that have saved thousands of Mopars that would have been parts cars without the sheetmetal needed to save them. All that said, I personally remember how it was when there was little to no aftermarket parts for Mopars, and how difficult it was to build them back then. They are in business to make a profit, so items that do not sell well will be discontinued at some point, and the day will come that you will see parts like that being sold for prices like NOS parts are selling like now a days. So don't wait and think that it will always be as easy to get the parts they make at the click of a mouse!

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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: chargervert] #2746903
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On the bright side, if you have a car not needing sheetmetal, the value of your car just went up.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: fc7_plumcrazy] #2746944
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What happened to the company that was reproducing full 68-70 dodge charger quarter panels, made in the United States? Other than being out of business due to the cheap pockets of mopar guys. Thought they were better engineered than AMD.Just saying

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: moe318] #2746970
02/27/20 08:47 AM
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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: davesmopars] #2746975
02/27/20 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by davesmopars
73 to 76 Duster fenders .

This always had me scratching my head. There are plenty of good fenders left because they made a bunch of them. But there was "no demand" for the stuff that's unobtainium: '68-'69-'70 Coronet fenders, '66-'67 Plymouth or Dodge anything. They even sold Daytona window glass and trim. Man, what a high volume seller that would be. Someone told me a year or so ago to buy a set of Coronet quarters if I needed them, because they weren't going to stamp anymore. Once the supply was gone, they were done. IDK if that was a WAG or prophetic.

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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: GY3] #2746977
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Originally Posted by GY3


From the Passon 855 5 speed debacle where people are on a list for 10 years only to be bypassed by a new "investor" that arbitrarily sells them to whomever to "Moparts discounts" by Mancini Racing that don't exist to Year One bending us over on shipping to Mopar Performance rebranding and tripling the price of speed parts.

It seems like the aftermarket for Mopar is a minefield anymore! Yes, I'm ranting because I'm tired of the abuses!

Well, from what I understand if not for the outside investor that the 5-speed would have died along with the accompanying business in PA. Agree on the Moparts discount. Mancini isn't any better on shipping than Year One, IMO.
AMD seems to have ignored the Pentastar except for their big dollar stuff. '69 Road Runners, '69 Chargers, '70-'71 E-bodies.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: OhioMopar] #2746983
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Maybe this is more like a scare tactic to get a bunch of unsold inventory gone or to get peoples interest and they'll make some runs again later on.
The biggest expense to these panels is the design and tooling to make them and the space to store the panels. You'd think that once they can make them they'd keep them around in one form or another.

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: chargervert] #2746988
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Originally Posted by chargervert
AMD parts are made in Taiwan, not China. Overall the Mopar line of parts that they offer, has not been profitable for them. By not profitable, I mean the line as a whole has not covered the tooling costs. They offer the Mopar parts,because they are Mopar guys, and they knew that there were no decent aftermarket sheetmetal parts for Mopars. The profit that they make from selling the Ford and GM parts has afforded them the luxury of being able to make Mopar sheetmetal. So if there is something that they offer for your Mopar project, I advise you to order it while it is still being offered. I think that they deserve a big thanks from the Mopar world for stepping up and making the parts that have saved thousands of Mopars that would have been parts cars without the sheetmetal needed to save them. All that said, I personally remember how it was when there was little to no aftermarket parts for Mopars, and how difficult it was to build them back then. They are in business to make a profit, so items that do not sell well will be discontinued at some point, and the day will come that you will see parts like that being sold for prices like NOS parts are selling like now a days. So don't wait and think that it will always be as easy to get the parts they make at the click of a mouse!


I think I understand your valid points, but isn't nearly all the investment in the initial stamping dies and working out that process?

The actual sheet metal and labor in Taiwan would seem to be relatively minor cost. Does it cost that much to do a one last run of any part?
Seems to me to be a missed business opportunity (profit?) if they marketed it properly, and this on and off and on again sale sure murkies the waters.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: jcc] #2747007
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They were working on 73/74 Charger full quarters and 71-74 b-body roof skins but that’s probably a long shot now. I would be a buyer for both.

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: moe318] #2747013
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Originally Posted by moe318
What happened to the company that was reproducing full 68-70 dodge charger quarter panels, made in the United States? Other than being out of business due to the cheap pockets of mopar guys. Thought they were better engineered than AMD.Just saying


I have a pair of those Classic Body designs rear quarters, and they fit ok,but not much better than the AMD panels. They cost $1695.00 each. I bought them off a Moparts member for $1200.00 for the pair, he got them with a car he bought. He showed me the slip for them.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: jcc] #2747014
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Originally Posted by jcc
Originally Posted by chargervert
AMD parts are made in Taiwan, not China. Overall the Mopar line of parts that they offer, has not been profitable for them. By not profitable, I mean the line as a whole has not covered the tooling costs. They offer the Mopar parts,because they are Mopar guys, and they knew that there were no decent aftermarket sheetmetal parts for Mopars. The profit that they make from selling the Ford and GM parts has afforded them the luxury of being able to make Mopar sheetmetal. So if there is something that they offer for your Mopar project, I advise you to order it while it is still being offered. I think that they deserve a big thanks from the Mopar world for stepping up and making the parts that have saved thousands of Mopars that would have been parts cars without the sheetmetal needed to save them. All that said, I personally remember how it was when there was little to no aftermarket parts for Mopars, and how difficult it was to build them back then. They are in business to make a profit, so items that do not sell well will be discontinued at some point, and the day will come that you will see parts like that being sold for prices like NOS parts are selling like now a days. So don't wait and think that it will always be as easy to get the parts they make at the click of a mouse!


I think I understand your valid points, but isn't nearly all the investment in the initial stamping dies and working out that process?

The actual sheet metal and labor in Taiwan would seem to be relatively minor cost. Does it cost that much to do a one last run of any part?
Seems to me to be a missed business opportunity (profit?) if they marketed it properly, and this on and off and on again sale sure murkies the waters.


I don't know what it costs to do a run of any given part,but from a business standpoint, not many businesses are going to do runs of parts that don't sell well.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: jcc] #2747021
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The thing that any manufacturer / vendor that supplies a part that they do not physically manufacture themselves is the quantities that are required to make a run. I know for example, for one part that we offer to the market is relatively inexpensive at say $18.00. Our volume is low and we need to go to make another order for this part. For us to make the purchase, the vendor tells us that the minimum order is 6000 units. This is almost seven years of inventory sitting on the shelf. So if we have $9 in each unit, that you can hold in the palm of your hand, you still have $54,000 sitting on the shelf. Does it make sense for us to invest those dollars to make basically a very minimum return on our investment?

I can completely understand the AMD challenge. Like any business, the business that is stamping the pieces for AMD is simply not going to stamp just a couple of each piece just so that they can have it sitting on the shelf for an unknown period of time. They are going to want a minimum of 50 to 100 units to simply change the tooling over. So is a business going to sit on 50 pieces of inventory that might only sell only one or two per month if your lucky. Factor in the space to transport to the warehouse and to store it on the shelf to the point that it sells. For anyone that has seen the AMD warehouse, it takes a huge building to hold the inventory.

The hobby is changing and will continue to change. Mark of AMD has been involved in reproducing parts for the Mopar world for probably well over 30 years, so without his contribution to the industry, the hobby would look much different than it does today without his involvement. In my opinion, it has never been easier to restore one of these old cars. The only down side is the cost to do these cars. No matter where interest lies, it cost to do anything for the most part. Whether you fish, hunt, travel, woodwork, etc, there is a cost to do the things that we enjoy.

It is not the end of the hobby, but just another evolution of it. Items will come and go. So hopefully the hobby will still bring much enjoyment to those involved with it.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: 69bfan] #2747166
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Maybe AMD needs to change their slogan from "save them all" to "save some of them". drumhit

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: 69bfan] #2747167
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So is say the "6000" (#?) min run arbitrary( what the market will bare?) or more cost driven?
Meaning, an economic downturn potentially at our doorstep, might make them more aggressive for business, especially with existing tooling ready?


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: jcc] #2747174
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The sale is back on for now.

I got what I needed at 50% off which is where I needed to be for the cost on this part.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: GY3] #2747195
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Sale is still going. I stocked up today.

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: copchaser] #2747268
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@jcc, the volume levels varies depending upon the part in which you are looking to have a run made. The manufacture will almost always have a minimum quantity that they are willing to deal with. If you exceed the minimum, there will generally be discounts above that pricing for exceeding the minimum amount. I know in some of the things that we have been involved with overseas, the number can vary depending upon the company doing the piece. For example, we wanted to do 300 of a particular oil pan, The minimum that they would do was 500. I have no clue on the minimums for a particular run for say a quarter panel, but I would guess at least 100 to 200 pair on the initial order and a reorder at 50 pair. That is the issue with any new product brought to the market. If you have a very good new product, you may sell the first 50% in the first four to six months, the next 30% will take the next twelve months and the last 20% may take months only selling one or two per month if your lucky. So lets say that your volume levels have reached the point to reorder or drop the part. If the particular part is moving relatively slow, so do you order another 50 and only sell one per month and tie up your money and warehouse on the slow moving part or put money into a new piece that will hopefully sell well.

Many of these manufactures use our orders to fill their work load to maintain there business core. We deal with a number of small US shops for some unique pieces that we offer. Pretty much the equivalent of a body shop taking in a restoration project. That shop is going to take on the insurance work and then when time allows, they will spend some time on the restoration project over in the corner. That shop over in Taiwan is not going to run you six pair of 68 Cuda quarters and three sets of 64 Fury quarters. They want volume to make it worth their efforts.


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Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: 69bfan] #2747447
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Well just in case they don't come back out with some sheet metal, I went ahead and contacted Steven's Performance and asked what was up. Since I had bought from Ted and Jackie a few times, they hooked me up big time. Not only were they able to get me a fair price for the items I needed, they are dropping off at a show for me to pickup. So I got two 1972 Roadrunner Quarter panels for the price of one and saved a bunch on shipping too! Not sure if that deal is the same for everyone, but it might be worth calling for pricing and show delivery if they want to save some money before remaining stock is gone. I

Re: AMD stops producing a lot of sheetmetal [Re: chargervert] #2747513
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Originally Posted by chargervert
AMD parts are made in Taiwan, not China. Overall the Mopar line of parts that they offer, has not been profitable for them. By not profitable, I mean the line as a whole has not covered the tooling costs. They offer the Mopar parts,because they are Mopar guys, and they knew that there were no decent aftermarket sheetmetal parts for Mopars. The profit that they make from selling the Ford and GM parts has afforded them the luxury of being able to make Mopar sheetmetal. So if there is something that they offer for your Mopar project, I advise you to order it while it is still being offered. I think that they deserve a big thanks from the Mopar world for stepping up and making the parts that have saved thousands of Mopars that would have been parts cars without the sheetmetal needed to save them. All that said, I personally remember how it was when there was little to no aftermarket parts for Mopars, and how difficult it was to build them back then. They are in business to make a profit, so items that do not sell well will be discontinued at some point, and the day will come that you will see parts like that being sold for prices like NOS parts are selling like now a days. So don't wait and think that it will always be as easy to get the parts they make at the click of a mouse!


Taiwan is China.
All this intellectual volleyball is all Bs if you ask me. 1970 71 A body quarter panels aren't big sellers? I don't think so. The tooling was already made, all the investment cost for already spent, and you can fit 1000 quarter panels without boxes in a 40' container. There's no doubt that there's some behind the scenes games being played. End of story.


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