Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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https://news.yahoo.com/lexus-debuts-model-cameras-instead-side-view-mirrors-175502277.htmlSample quote The cameras are also smaller than traditional side-view mirrors, which means that they generate less wind noise, reduce the vehicle's drag coefficient, and obtrude less in the driver's field of vision when cornering or manoeuvring. Housed in aerodynamic casings to reduce their exposure to dust and rain, the cameras are equipped with built-in heaters to prevent freezing or misting, they also have luminescence sensors that automatically reduce the glare from the headlamps of other automobiles. End quote
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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More electronics to fail when you need them most. Some things are fine just like the are. This. Learn how to adjust your mirrors. Look over your shoulder. It's not hard. I want a robot to pick me up, carry me to the bathroom, wipe and tidy up and carry me back to the couch because it's sooooo hard to do it by myself.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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I've driven a few proof of concept vehicles with only camera mirrors, it certainly takes some getting used to. You cannot just move your head/torso you change the view, which makes for interesting depth perception when you have a 53' trailer behind you.
That said, they are evolving very quickly and have some extremely nice benefits once sorted out. They're coming to market at full steam. That perception comment is interesting. Do they have say maybe steering wheel mounted L&R mirror momentary push to zoom with nighttime infrared auxiliary lighting? How about 15? min loop full time camera recording for the mirrors?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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The same group of people who railed against "needless/useless/unnecessary" backup cameras as part of the nanny state now loves them. The same will be true of side view cameras. The cameras will be far superior to mirrors.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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This. Learn how to adjust your mirrors. Look over your shoulder. It's not hard.
For something like a Class 8 sleeper truck, there is no looking over your shoulder. It's 100% mirrors, and bigger mirrors are a significant aerodynamic hit. Overall, mirrors are always a compromise, cameras can offer vehicle/surrounding tracking for future autonomy features, fog-free viewing, enhanced night vision, trailer tracking while cornering, etc.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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The same group of people who railed against "needless/useless/unnecessary" backup cameras as part of the nanny state now loves them. The same will be true of side view cameras. The cameras will be far superior to mirrors. i originally thought back up cameras were a waste. but i have to say back cameras are a nice thing to have. they make moving cars in tight confines much easier. as far as side mirror cameras. i don't want them on my car. something $$$ expensive to break. as others posted. turn you fat head around and look. don't change lanes with just your mirrors and traffic will move much smoother. in some situations i can see them as good. but in my auto situations no i don't see them as a benefit to me. i don't even want those ridiculous dash screens either. dash screens and camera mirrors probably will a required match. one downside to me is the brain dead idiots won't hit the side of the garage with their mirror when parking. so i won't get paid to pant, and replace them.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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This whole "turn your head around/look over your shoulder" nonsense is just that. It's never a good idea to do that. I love these get off of my lawn rants. LOL "Take your eyes off of the road so that even your peripheral vision won't catch anything in front of you, you sissy!" LOL at shaking your fist and telling people to adjust their mirrors, but then telling people to look over their shoulders instead of...um, adjusting their mirrors correctly? Or instead of adding a blind spot mirror from Auto Zone for $2.99? But don't worry, you won't have to add those mirrors once cameras replace your side view mirrors.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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one downside to me is the brain dead idiots won't hit the side of the garage with their mirror when parking. so i won't get paid to pant, and replace them. Oh, don't worry. They'll just hit the wheel arch on the fender and/or quarter instead. In fact, that's good for you, because that's a bigger $$$ repair than a mirror.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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Technology is nice--usually better--than the old way of doing things.
Until it breaks.
The level of complexity in all vehicles has skyrocketed, and even the simplest tasks that used to be performed by a wire and a switch, or a cable now require a computer.
It's great when it works as it is "designed". When it doesn't....(see the old Boeing 737 Max thread).
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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not sure if this is correct https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Mirror_Laws_by_State_(U.S.)
it won't happen because the law specifically states must be a mirror. written back in ye olden days. till that gets changed, you won't be seeing any cars with just camera's . Easy to get that changed. Not an issue. Laws also didn't require rear bumpers for pickup trucks, or energy absorbing bumpers for minivans.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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not sure if this is correct https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Mirror_Laws_by_State_(U.S.)
it won't happen because the law specifically states must be a mirror. written back in ye olden days. till that gets changed, you won't be seeing any cars with just camera's . Easy to get that changed. Not an issue. Laws also didn't require rear bumpers for pickup trucks, or energy absorbing bumpers for minivans. Don't believe Indiana has allowed vehicles without rear bumpers, at least since the early 70's.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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not sure if this is correct https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Mirror_Laws_by_State_(U.S.)
it won't happen because the law specifically states must be a mirror. written back in ye olden days. till that gets changed, you won't be seeing any cars with just camera's . Easy to get that changed. Not an issue. Laws also didn't require rear bumpers for pickup trucks, or energy absorbing bumpers for minivans. Don't believe Indiana has allowed vehicles without rear bumpers, at least since the early 70's. No state can require less than the Feds mandate, but they can require more in some cases, such as the one you outline. I know that base model pickups were sold without bumpers well into the 80s in Ohio, and maybe longer than that.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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Housed in aerodynamic casings to reduce their exposure to dust and rain Lol, like the backup cameras? I am always cleaning them off. I can see the benefit for something like my Daughter's Camaro which has a blind spot the size of a Mack truck. But I still swivel my head around looking, because regardless of what you have for mirrors, you still have a blind spot. My work truck has the tow package mirrors and that includes convex ones much larger than the $2.99 ones you stick on. Still a blind spot there and some texter will find it and sit there. the backup camera is a handy tool, I use it and both my side view mirrors to see what I am doing as I back up. If I didn't have a camper shell full of tools and parts rendering my rear view mirror useless I doubt I would use it at all except for when hooking up a trailer, it is the handiest there. One thing I love about my 51, no unwanted actions upon the part of my vehicle. I do the controlling, not it. Been more than once the traction control upset my vehicle trying to do something I didn't want it to do. Sometimes I want to turn right to go left. Pretty soon though you won't have any mirrors at all because you won't be driving, the car will do that for you.
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Re: Side view cameras in place of mirrors
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This whole "turn your head around/look over your shoulder" nonsense is just that. It's never a good idea to do that. I love these get off of my lawn rants. LOL "Take your eyes off of the road so that even your peripheral vision won't catch anything in front of you, you sissy!" LOL at shaking your fist and telling people to adjust their mirrors, but then telling people to look over their shoulders instead of...um, adjusting their mirrors correctly? Or instead of adding a blind spot mirror from Auto Zone for $2.99? But don't worry, you won't have to add those mirrors once cameras replace your side view mirrors. When I see a fellow driver turning their head while driving, I give them a lot of extra room. Wonder why nobody ever fesses up rear ending another car when they had their heads turned? Because they know its rather dangerous practice, more of an intentional visual distraction . I also drive a Class 8, your mirrors never lie, but you must use them, and mistakes happen because they didn't, or one misinterprets them, and since high school I install the classic "wink" mirror in my muscle cars..
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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what's worse. quickly turning your head to check your blind spot, or looking at your dash screen to check your side mirrors? at least when turning your head the person in the other lane should see that and know the person is changing lanes. i can't copy past from the book so i will write exactly what it says. page 51 wisconsin drivers handbook, https://driving-tests.org/wisconsin/wi-dmv-drivers-handbook-manual/ BLIND SPOTS LOOK OVER YOUR SHOULDER IN THE DIRECTION YOU PLAN TO MOVE. be sure no one is near the rear corners of your vehicle. these areas are called BLIND SPOTS. because you cannot see them in your mirrors. to see vehicles in your blind spot, you NEED TO TURN YOUR HEAD AND LOOK,
perception is 90% of reality
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