Re: Radon levels
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02/05/20 02:36 PM
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No data presented, outdated, biased, inconclusive, anecdotal, irrelevant junk science, pushed by the radon mitigation industry and the radon bureaucracy.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: Radon levels
[Re: Hemi_Joel]
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02/06/20 11:23 AM
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No data presented, outdated, biased, inconclusive, anecdotal, irrelevant junk science, pushed by the radon mitigation industry and the radon bureaucracy. Wow. very well articulated. I didn't know it was such a conspiracy to sell a $500 mitigation system to folks. I guess we will agree to disagree. If you want to get into the health physics on how radiation effects cells we can do that. Believe what you want. Whether its a high dose field or a low dose field the same effects at the cellular level can happen. Being that Radon is an alpha emitter it poses an internal dose hazard at any level. An alpha particle is the "bowling ball" of radiation particles which is essentially the nucleus of a Helium atom so its big in size and packs a punch, for lack of a better term. As it gets down into the soft tissue of the alveoli or (other organs) it can disrupt the cells processes. One of three things can happen: 1. nothing 2. hit the cell - disrupt the DNA and the cell repairs itself 3. mutate the DNA causing the cell to replicate abnormally or undergo uncontrolled division (cancer). There is radiation everywhere also inside of you H-3, C-14 for example. But as I mentioned above (in a different post) it comes down to dose and the physiology/geneology or the individual if you are predisposed. So the lesson here is risk assessment and I will minimize mine.
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Re: Radon levels
[Re: Hemi_Joel]
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02/06/20 11:29 AM
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my house was built in 1872. in the courthouse records, it is listed in 1873 as a house and cow. [i'm still looking for that cow. ] the basement floor is half dirt, and the foundation is the old style dry sand and rock. i'm sure if i tested for radon, i would find it. at my age, that's just something i'm not going to worry about.
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 01:09 PM
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Gotta agree with Joel. Basements around here for over 200 years and no health problems. Do you know the levels in these basements? Quantitatively?
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 01:10 PM
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I was listening to the news about 15 or 20 years ago and they had one of the scientists on who had originally sounded alarm on raidon because they had done the study in the underground mines. The guy said that after 10 more years of study they decided that they had jumped the gun, and that there was no danger to humans from radon exposure in their basement. So he said don't worry about it. But by then the bureaucracy and the industry had already taken it and ran with it. He claims that nobody would listen to him now.
sadly a good friend of mine, who has never smoked a day in his life, was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer at age 35. thanks to the prayers of hundreds, and advances in medicine, he is still fighting it and doing very well after 4 years. He has some of the best doctors in the country helping him out at the Mayo clinic. They told him that the cause is genetic. Virtually everybody else that he talks too, and everybody that I hear talking about him all claim it has to be from radon. He never smoked, radon is the number two cause, so that's why he has lung cancer. I think it's this type of hype that has everybody believing.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 02:38 PM
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I refuse to go through life afraid of every calamity that some "expert" or "scientist" - who is probably making a pile of money by fixing it or knowing how to (I'm lookin' at you Al Gore) - says is going to kill me unless I take the remedies that they demand. I don't trust people who are getting rich and powerful over some disaster that only they can see (and fix).
I prepare for the things I know are out there - criminals, burglars, fire hazards, hail storms, stupid people, etc.. The rest of it is crap. And if it's not, there's no chance I was going to live forever anyways.
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 03:54 PM
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I was listening to the news about 15 or 20 years ago and they had one of the scientists on who had originally sounded alarm on raidon because they had done the study in the underground mines. The guy said that after 10 more years of study they decided that they had jumped the gun, and that there was no danger to humans from radon exposure in their basement. So he said don't worry about it. But by then the bureaucracy and the industry had already taken it and ran with it. He claims that nobody would listen to him now.
sadly a good friend of mine, who has never smoked a day in his life, was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer at age 35. thanks to the prayers of hundreds, and advances in medicine, he is still fighting it and doing very well after 4 years. He has some of the best doctors in the country helping him out at the Mayo clinic. They told him that the cause is genetic. Virtually everybody else that he talks too, and everybody that I hear talking about him all claim it has to be from radon. He never smoked, radon is the number two cause, so that's why he has lung cancer. I think it's this type of hype that has everybody believing. I hope your friend can fight the good fight. Sorry to hear about anyone with that dreaded disease. There are different cancers that can be attributed to different exposures: i.e. smoking carcinogens - mainly Benzopyrine, asbestos, silica dust and radiation exposure. We had many workers here in the Buffalo NY area that were exposed to uranium ore at the steel mills and other facilities when the Manhattan Project was in full swing in the 40's. Many of these workers developed a specific type of (lung) cancer later in life, that was directly related to these radioactive exposures. Radon is a daughter product of Uranium 238 decay series. As I mentioned before genetics plays a huge role unfortunately. But something has to trigger the cell whether it is from within or environmental that is the difficult question. In theory it only takes one Radon 222 alpha particle to do the job. The human body is very resilient and can repair itself to unimaginable lengths, your genes already have it mapped out for you. So I would still err on the side of caution and minimize your exposures, because as stated above the dose dictates the poison. The radiations workers philosophy is ALARA - as low as reasonably achievable...... I digress
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 03:59 PM
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We checked our basement and it was 20. We added a mitigation system and it is now <4. So, here is some reasonable rationale... Just because i can't see it or smell it, doesn't mean it is not affecting me or my family. It might all be crapola..but Spending $1000 for a bit of peace of mind is worth it. (i spend far more than that on car parts!) Also, any house sold in our area has had the former owners test and install a system, so i was going to have to do it sooner or later anyways. This is sound advice!!!! Plus it may be code in some areas to have it tested or mitigation systems installed. I'm building a 70 V-code Bee so car parts are pricey!!!!!! lol
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Re: Radon levels
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02/06/20 04:11 PM
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I have no issue with anyone wanting to install a radon mitigation system on their own dime. Or meteor rods to protect their house from meteorites, or anything like that. What I have an issue with is codes that require owners and builders to install these systems with no solid evidence that they are beneficial, adding cost for the owners. I see your take, but that's only if you selling the house correct? I know in my area you can sign off on having the radon test done if you don't want it. I can see how it seems that big brother just has another hand in your pocket. I am not in the radon business so I have no skin in the game but health and safety is my livelihood. If my child developed lung cancer at a young age and there was something I could have done to prevent it, I couldn't forgive myself. As I see it an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Since the low dose exposures are not 100% proven I am going to minimize that risk....
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Re: Radon levels
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02/07/20 12:04 PM
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Gotta agree with Joel. Basements around here for over 200 years and no health problems. Do you know the levels in these basements? Quantitatively? No but when it first started you couldn't sell a house without the system. If you vent the house for a couple hours they pass but it not they fail.
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Re: Radon levels
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02/07/20 01:23 PM
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We checked our basement and it was 20. We added a mitigation system and it is now <4. So, here is some reasonable rationale... Just because i can't see it or smell it, doesn't mean it is not affecting me or my family. It might all be crapola..but Spending $1000 for a bit of peace of mind is worth it. (i spend far more than that on car parts!) Also, any house sold in our area has had the former owners test and install a system, so i was going to have to do it sooner or later anyways. after reading this post I googled my area = moderate possibility seen kits on line, then came across the Board Of Health Site --- they actually give them out for Free - so It cant hurt to perform the test right - would rather know then not
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