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The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? #2731420 01/09/20 01:40 PM 01/09/20 01:40 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,136 my own world theraif OP master
theraif OP master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,136 my own world	https://sports.yahoo.com/column-2020s-could-decade-change-130004918.html

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: theraif] #2731439 01/09/20 02:28 PM 01/09/20 02:28 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,127 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,127 Bend,OR USA	NHRA has lost its focus since wally Parks step down All the new guys at the top I've watch have focus on the bottom line, not the racers or the fans Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: theraif] #2731444 01/09/20 02:33 PM 01/09/20 02:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,750 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,750 Rio Linda, CA	NHRA change? The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: John_Kunkel] #2731472 01/09/20 03:40 PM 01/09/20 03:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,772 Keymar, MD DusterKid top fuel
DusterKid top fuel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,772 Keymar, MD	Originally Posted by John_Kunkel NHRA change? They will go under before they will change.... I've raced in Div 1 my whole life. At one time there was 22 tracks, now there are like 12-13 and Ceil County isn't even running a NHRA bracket program this yr. Mason Dixon Summit attendance has been decreasing for years. Their SBRA (1/8 mile format racing) series brings in atleast twice the car count. All the big money bracket races are 1/8th mile. Like it or hate it, 1/8th mile racing is helping bring in more racers. Then some of their safety rules are just over the top. I'd rather see some of their "expiration" dates extended (Like seat belts and trans shields). and make more guys have diapers. Yes everyone will moan and groan, but that's something that could and will help prevent accidents and down time from clean ups.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: DusterKid] #2731474 01/09/20 03:48 PM 01/09/20 03:48 PM
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tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	The impetus for change typically begins with seeing flaws in your self or your methods. Admitting that they have made mistakes is definitely not their strong suit , so I don't see them changing until the bow of the once great ship is the only thing above water. They will have gotten theirs and move on. And the rest of us ? It was clearly our fault.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: tubtar] #2731480 01/09/20 04:09 PM 01/09/20 04:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,530 Fulton County, PA C CMcAllister Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister Mr. Helpful C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,530 Fulton County, PA	They're changing, but not for the better. At NHRA events, entry fees are up, payout is down. 25 years ago, a national event in Stock, Super Stock, the .90 classes would pay 13-18K depending on how you had the car stickered. Now it's 9K, tops. Entry fees are way up and no longer include a crew person. Divisionals are just as bad. Used to be 120 cars show up at points meets and nationals. Now the nationals have quotas of around 50. It took 8 grade points to get into Gainesville this year. It's all about the big show and all but the best financed sportsman racers are being pushed out. When guys like Rampy, Biondos, Fletcher give up and go bracket racing, that's a sign. If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: CMcAllister] #2731492 01/09/20 04:49 PM 01/09/20 04:49 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA.	The last big money bracket race I watched and it wasn’t a real high payout had at least two “pro” racers competing. One top fuel and one Pro Stock racer. There may have even been more 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: DusterKid] #2731529 01/09/20 06:57 PM 01/09/20 06:57 PM
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Harry's Taxi 2 enthusiast Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 287 PA	Originally Posted by DusterKid Originally Posted by John_Kunkel NHRA change? They will go under before they will change.... I've raced in Div 1 my whole life. At one time there was 22 tracks, now there are like 12-13 and Ceil County isn't even running a NHRA bracket program this yr. Mason Dixon Summit attendance has been decreasing for years. Their SBRA (1/8 mile format racing) series brings in atleast twice the car count. All the big money bracket races are 1/8th mile. Like it or hate it, 1/8th mile racing is helping bring in more racers. Then some of their safety rules are just over the top. I'd rather see some of their "expiration" dates extended (Like seat belts and trans shields). and make more guys have diapers. Yes everyone will moan and groan, but that's something that could and will help prevent accidents and down time from clean ups. Is it the 1/8 mile that racers like or is it that the better paying races are 1/8 mile? I'm inclined to think that it's NHRA shenanigans that are keeping the car counts down at 1/4 mile races, not the 1/4 mile itself. I've been racing off and on quite a few years myself and prefer 1/4 (even though I did more winning at an 1/8 mile track)....but I'm not all that fast, so marginal 1/4 mile shutdowns don't really scare me. Now 1/8 mile races at national event level tracks like Maple Grove seem silly, so I don't bother with the few of them they have there. '86 Maple Grove KOS Mopar low qualifier......true street legal with no power adders. NOS-used when losing since 1940.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: Harry's Taxi 2] #2731536 01/09/20 07:13 PM 01/09/20 07:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,530 Fulton County, PA C CMcAllister Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister Mr. Helpful C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,530 Fulton County, PA	That story seems to focus on the John Force circus and who will replace him, as if NHRA will collapse when he retires. Probably not, but still... There is a big difference between what is run at the NHRA events - Stock, Super Stock, dot 90, Top whatever, Comp, Pros, etc., - and the local sanctioned tracks. People participating at one or the other have a different set of concerns as well. Some may overlap, many don't. NHRA is different things to different people. If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: theraif] #2731545 01/09/20 07:26 PM 01/09/20 07:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOc ! The village idiot's idiot
dOc ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	They have to get REAL WORLD on spectator prices ! ... some of the stands are 2/3 empty in many cases

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: dOc !] #2731564 01/09/20 08:20 PM 01/09/20 08:20 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA.	I’m dragging my feet on renewing my All Acess at last years 125.00 cost. I still enjoy pro mod, top fuel, funny car, and of course the factory stock cars and especially qualifying but they cut back on track prep last year to keep speeds down and it’s become a boring burn out contest. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: dOc !] #2731647 01/10/20 07:59 AM 01/10/20 07:59 AM
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JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,021 MN	Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass They have to get REAL WORLD on spectator prices ! ... some of the stands are 2/3 empty in many cases Attendance has been the highest it's ever been at NHRA events this year... Been hearing for 20+ years, the sport is dying, but yet it's still going. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2731650 01/10/20 08:23 AM 01/10/20 08:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,021 Tulsa OK Bad340fish master
Bad340fish master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,021 Tulsa OK	I don't stay connected to the NHRA stuff as much as I would like. But if you don't already listen the Brian Lohnes's NHRA Podcast. Brian is the lead announcer and as I am sure most of you know is a crazy drag racing encyclopedia. I believe the NHRA isn't going down the drain and it sure does seem like spectator counts are trending up, sold out at some tracks. Here is a link to the podcast. I haven't listened to a bunch of them but I do when I have time and think about it, good stuff. https://nhra-podcast.libsyn.com I do believe they are certainly trying to change the crowd, they have had drag week cars doing exhibition passes, Outlaw 10.5 stuff and radial cars as well. 68 Barracuda Formula S 340

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: Bad340fish] #2731661 01/10/20 09:53 AM 01/10/20 09:53 AM
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lewtot184 master L Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa	when I first began my hot rod/drag racing enthusiasm back in the '60's drag racing was the fastest growing spectator sport in America. now I have no interest in it. what ran me off? I think a loss of identifying with the cars/racers. doesn't make any difference what it is (nhra, nascar, nba, nfl, etc,) once there's a bunch of money and some folks get too big for their britches it's a down hill slide.

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: lewtot184] #2731705 01/10/20 11:49 AM 01/10/20 11:49 AM
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slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,171 Park Forest, IL	I've been hearing the NHRA (and NASCAR) is dying since about 1980. Someday it may come true. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: slantzilla] #2731717 01/10/20 12:13 PM 01/10/20 12:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA.	The sky is falling the sky is falling. Lol. Get out of the lazyboy and go out in the world to see for yourself. All I can say is the East Coast tracks are doing ok. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2731734 01/10/20 01:02 PM 01/10/20 01:02 PM
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JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,021 MN	Originally Posted by pittsburghracer The sky is falling the sky is falling. Lol. Get out of the lazyboy and go out in the world to see for yourself. All I can say is the East Coast tracks are doing ok. Exactly John. All the people that say it's a dead sport, are the ones that don't go to the track. Car counts were the highest they have ever been at local tracks. Brainerd had to actually turn racers away labor Day weekend for a FUN race. I think they capped it at 585 entries, so they could get the show in. The place was packed. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2731741 01/10/20 01:24 PM 01/10/20 01:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	People complaining about NHRA are just like people who complain about their tracks. Then wonder why they disappear. NHRA is alive and well, I wish they would increase the quotas but National Events are not about the sportsman racers anyway. Plus with everyone having 100' long rigs these days, and some with multiple ones there is only so much space available. We had 770 cars at the fall divisional here in Vegas, that don't sound like its hurting at all. Have not seen anything close to that number in 15 years. The Spring race this year will probably have 600+ cars entered. "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2731747 01/10/20 01:32 PM 01/10/20 01:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,160 PA.	Not technically an NHRA event but held at an NHRA track the Halloween Classic had well over 1200 cars the third week of October. Their 20,000.00 box race was sold out and their 10,000.00 no box race was too. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: The 2020s could and should be a decade of change for NHRA? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2731749 01/10/20 01:34 PM 01/10/20 01:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 991 Addison,IL OUTLAWSSAA super stock
OUTLAWSSAA super stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 991 Addison,IL	Attendance has been the highest it's ever been at NHRA events this year... Been hearing for 20+ years, the sport is dying, but yet it's still going. [/quote] What is your source for this information? Are you talking national events?

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