Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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I just read through this thread Would only buy from Hughes or Indy unless they were the sole source HAve used lots of Engle with no more than the normal problems- mostly when pushing the envelope As far as Howards and that kind of lobe I'd run dual springs set up light and break in on the outer also I grind flats on the sides of hyd lifters similar to the ones sold by Rhodes (howards has them for some lifters) and this kind of flat was stock on 229 chevy v6 and some buicks have not tried edm for hyd but would try The .904 designed lobes will out performance the universal grinds AS for the "Mopar grind" for HR no such think afik First all HR retrofit kits are made by the same vendor AFIK let me know if any others All have the small chevy size roller A mopar HR could have the same base circle as a BBC but I do not know of any that do In fact it's worse- many use masters that would work on Buick base circle or one that would work in a stroker chevy We just do not have the numbers for customized grind lists- but that could change\- see below Mopars also benefit from a larger lifter wheel .810-.815 no reason to use the smaller chevy sized wheel the small wheel increases side loading...so at least get mopar sized rollers Mke Jones inverse flank masters demonstraably outperform flat flank profiles solid or HR
One way to dial in your cam is to use a program like Controlled Induction software and generate your custom lift curve then take it to a grinder with CNC grinder and get your optimized cam solid, hyd, roller, hyd roller you could also get away from the "most lift" dick comparison and roll the nose over so not pointy and limit the spring needed- and ensure the valve close is non bounce
happy new years The last small block chrysler roller cam I ordered from Comp I ordered BBC base circle size. I am not sure that it matters with a roller. I think the wheel diameter is the pertinent dimension. Comp has different prefixes that you add to the lobe number for different roller diameters. I am talking about custom, I am not sure about shelf grinds. I have purchased a lot of parts from Hughes. I did have some bad parts from time to time. They always took care of the issues. Sometimes going above and beyond. Like sending premium gaskets to make repairs, overnight shipping ect. Then I called one day to inquire about a cam. That's when things went south. I had Dave on the phone and we were discussing my camshaft needs when I asked him why they don't list advertised duration numbers. He said "nothing matters that happens below .050" lift." I said I disagree. He said "your wrong, all that matters is the @.050 number." I said "Dave, the engine can't build compression until the valve is seated, not to mention the importance of overlap. By your logic I could crank my adjusters down to hang the valve open .030-.040" and it wouldn't matter, right? We both know it wouldn't start, much less run" He hung up on me. I haven't ordered from them since.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: Mbrown]
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01/05/20 04:33 PM
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IMHO, you need both Advertised and @ 0.050". You can not easily at a glance tell ramp speed without both.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/05/20 04:57 PM
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I've got their HE3844AL hydraulic flat tappet in my 360 motor right now. It's an older build, very much a weekend toy, granted nowhere near as many miles as regularly used cars would have had by now. Over about 8 yrs now I have logged a tad over 5k miles of summer only driving. The cam was installed with outer springs only, I then installed the inners after the break-in. Using their #1111 springs since I had originally intended to move up to the 1.6 ratio rocker arms.
From a "satisfaction factor" perspective, great cam. This is in my 3600 lbs coupe, 4k converter, 4.10 gear, which makes my brick [censored]-house like ride move fast enough. If anything my only complaint is that for a street car I have a rather low vacum signal (7-8") at idle (108LSA), still that works OK as I run dual-chamber power brake booster.
My current W2 stroker build will use a Comp Cams hydraulic roller cam. I looked at Hughes' roller cams initially, none of their profiles seemed to be inspired in any way...at least to a layman like myself. Having called and emailed him (Dave) a few times it really came down to: "...buy this what we have, it will be good for you..., oh? you've got questions???...no, we don't do questions...", nor make an attempt to apprently convince YOU the customer that they have some great Mopar ideas (my conclusion), so I decided to move on.
Having previously built my valvetrain with their parts (cam, springs, shafts, retainers, etc other numerous parts) they have now completely lost out on my W2 stroker spend due to the poor customer experience I've had with them.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: B3422W5]
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01/05/20 06:46 PM
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Yeah, you have commented on a few of my posts, but it's almost always some kind of slanted bs that no one here wants to read. I started this post curious to Hughes different series cams, was trying to find something on there roller cams, not that I wanted to buy one of their flat tappet cams although if someone wants to post about their flat tappet cams who am I to stop them. I have been aware of their flat tappet issues for awhile now and i'm all ears if someone posts about them because things do change over time, that's why I sometimes do post about something that has been posted in the past, because, like I said, things do change, but to the few that have an issue with my posts, maybe you should step back and look in the mirror, because no one wants to read that silly sideways sh!t and it just shows the kind of person you really are. Looks to me there are quite a few positive posts here about Hughes not all negative and I have learned it's not just a cam issue with them, but a spring issue as well. That's guys
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/05/20 09:06 PM
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^ A bit confused, you started the thread saying you weren't into roller and wanted SFT.
Now if "someone wants to post about their flat tappet cams who are you to stop them"? I thought that's what you were asking about.
"I don't want to get back into that maintenance gig, right now I'm happy with SFT cams"
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/06/20 08:13 AM
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Yeah, you have commented on a few of my posts, but it's almost always some kind of slanted bs that no one here wants to read. I started this post curious to Hughes different series cams, was trying to find something on there roller cams, not that I wanted to buy one of their flat tappet cams although if someone wants to post about their flat tappet cams who am I to stop them. I have been aware of their flat tappet issues for awhile now and i'm all ears if someone posts about them because things do change over time, that's why I sometimes do post about something that has been posted in the past, because, like I said, things do change, but to the few that have an issue with my posts, maybe you should step back and look in the mirror, because no one wants to read that silly sideways sh!t and it just shows the kind of person you really are. Looks to me there are quite a few positive posts here about Hughes not all negative and I have learned it's not just a cam issue with them, but a spring issue as well. That's guys Dude, dont whine about me. I will put my reputation on here up against your lame ass anytime. This is a race forum. I race. Have forever, do all the time. Have you ever even entered a race the whole time you have been a member here. Even once? You are the only poster i have ever called out in 20 years on here for your repetitive, droning on and on threads Its one of the reasons i very rarely come on here any more
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: B3422W5]
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01/06/20 08:31 AM
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You are the only poster i have ever called out in 20 years on here for your repetitive, droning on and on threads Its one of the reasons i very rarely come on here any more Well you could of waited another 20 years, Daves a good guy, a racer and he builds his own junk and runs it. You could not of picked a more dedicated mopar guy to disrespect. Please join the benchracers.com if questions that lead to actual practical applications and racing a car have come to bore you. Yeah, you have commented on a few of my posts, but it's almost always some kind of slanted bs that no one here wants to read. I started this post curious to Hughes different series cams, was trying to find something on there roller cams, not that I wanted to buy one of their flat tappet cams although if someone wants to post about their flat tappet cams who am I to stop them. I have been aware of their flat tappet issues for awhile now and i'm all ears if someone posts about them because things do change over time, that's why I sometimes do post about something that has been posted in the past, because, like I said, things do change, but to the few that have an issue with my posts, maybe you should step back and look in the mirror, because no one wants to read that silly sideways sh!t and it just shows the kind of person you really are. Looks to me there are quite a few positive posts here about Hughes not all negative and I have learned it's not just a cam issue with them, but a spring issue as well. That's guys Dude, dont whine about me. I will put my reputation on here up against your lame ass anytime. This is a race forum. I race. Have forever, do all the time. Have you ever even entered a race the whole time you have been a member here. Even once? You are the only poster i have ever called out in 20 years on here for your repetitive, droning on and on threads Its one of the reasons i very rarely come on here any more
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: INTMD8]
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01/06/20 08:59 AM
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I understand, I started the post because I was trying to find something on Hughes roller cams and then someone posted about their flat tappets, so I was curious to what their experience was with that and if their may have been any improvements, then more members replied about flat tappets and I just follow along for the most part. Sorry for the confusion. Don, I'm a hobbiest who would rather build motors and tinker in the garage than race. I used to street race a lot back in the mid 80's and yes to answer your question, I have entered in a race up at Ubly awhile back, but bracket racing is not my gig at all. I prefer heads up racing if i'm gonna race. If you don't like my droaning post, than why are you still reading them? Have a nice day Don. Oh, and Don, here's my trophy. Do you have any?
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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I'd take that Amp over the throphy any day. I have 2ea 1 channel Mac's and will not sell them. HiFi does not mean stereo but you can have Stereo HiFi. I have a lot of mono HiFi vinyl records mostly JAZZ.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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Thanks Dywayne. I am an audiophile in the winter months usually. I like tube rolling as they call it, just another one of my hobbies. I've had so many people say "Tube amps are so dirty." because of the 'WARM' hummmmm. It imparts color to the music that is missing with CD's and modern amps.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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Years ago a friend made a 'CLONE' of a MSD 6A but used tubes, transformers and capacitors. It took a whole coffee table sized board. He did it as a joke but it worked.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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I've had so many people say "Tube amps are so dirty." because of the 'WARM' hummmmm. It imparts color to the music that is missing with CD's and modern amps. They also tend to impart even-order harmonic distortion, which is not offensive to the ear and is often pleasing. Odd-order distortion puts our teeth on edge. Not sure of the neuropsych reason for it...
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