Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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Call Dave and talk to him. After he explains to you how stupid you are you will probably never buy anything from him. Big hint:. Don't mention Moparts to him unless you really want the conversation to go off the rails.
I about fell off my chair when I read this. The guy completely insulted my intelligence. Took my heads elsewhere and got the performance bump that I wanted for less money, and what Dave told me was impossible. This was 25 years ago. So happy that I've never spent $1 with him. I've probably directed away from him $50,000 of business buy simply sharing my personal experience. That said, cannot really speak to the quality of his stuff. Some people seem to like it.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/03/20 09:34 PM
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Glad to here those are holding up well. I may be doing a cam change sometime in the future and haven't fully bit the roller bug with the cam selection. I ran a 700 lift in a small block with street miles and had lifters rebuild every 5 yrs. Don't really want to get back into that maintenance gig again with all the expense along with it. I may change my mind on this when the time comes, but right now i'm happy with SFT cams. How much expense was getting lifters rebuilt every 5 years? Thats peanuts in the whole scheme of things I had my crane ultra pro’s checked after 5 years and they were fine. Best machine looked at them 700 lift roller 273@50 Bet i had WAY more 1/4 mile hits and as much street driving as you did. Go roller and don't look back I have come to really like Howards cams stuff
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69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car Best so far, 10.32 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/03/20 09:57 PM
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I used the STL6468BS cam back i. The early 2000's , made good power. My problem was Hughes springs. They were crap. Didn't last 150 runs. Don't know if it was the ramps of the camp or spring material.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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01/04/20 03:46 AM
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My son bought Hughes SER1620 grind. It has a nice mild sound in a 383 and very good power in a D200 pickup. Used Edelbrock springs in his Edelbrock aluminum heads. But before he installed it I was looking at the cam and the fuel pump push rod lobe was rough cast and looked like it had not been ground, looked like no eccentric to it.
He called their shop and their answer was "Just install it and it will wear into each other." HUH, WTH??? NEVER!!!
He took it over to Delta Cams in Tacoma, 15 miles away and they checked the cam and said that it was as cast from core and had never been ground. So for $35 he chucked it in his grinder and made it right.
I will not buy one from them.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/04/20 10:48 AM
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Ok. Now y’all have me worried 😱. I just bought and installed one of their hyd roller cam and expensive rockers setups but haven’t started it yet. I hope all goes well. I have another customer that I’m building a 440-6 motor that wants me to use a cam from them. He wants a hyd roller but he heard of their “ Mopar Profile” cam and is asking me about those as well. Looks like I need to give Dwane a call instead.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/04/20 01:52 PM
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Its sure looking like Hughes should be the last place to buy a flat tappet cam, but what about their roller cams? I haven't heard of anyone using one yet. I have bought a bunch of items from them over the years and never had a problem with any of it as far as quality is concerned, but never a flat tappet cam. They are ok to deal with as long as your spending money and don't ask for a refund by the sounds of it. Oh, and don't ask questions or your in real trouble. Call Jim at Racer Brown and save a headache. I've had cams go flat. From a variety of sources. The biggest cause is operator error. For a time, it was junk lifters. I still inspect every single lifter, every time. If it doesn't have enough radius, it gets replaced. I also mic the OD. I've found some small lifters. The other issue is worn lifter bores. I've never, ever pulled the springs apart, never used a low ratio rocker. Hughes doesn't grind his cams. Howard's does. And from a limited phone conversation, I wouldn't buy anything from Howard's. They don't agree with Hughes and his lobes, so they let [censored] slide. I've seen that with my own eyes. Hughes doesn't inspect every cam that goes out the door. He doesn't look at any of them. That's on Howard's. And if Howard's isn't into the deal, or can't stand Dave, then rather than send junk out, they should stop grinding his cams. And don't think I'm defending Dave. He and I have had some epic phone battles. In person, we'd have probably thrown down. But it is what it is, and if he has something I need or want, I use it. If anyone has ANY, ANY doubt about using an agressive lobe SFT cam, like the Comp MM series or some of the stuff Dave has, then don't use it. The margin of error with those lobes is almost zero, meaning if you don't do everything correct, you'll kill a lobe. If you aren't using a known ignition, a known carb, if you ain't 100% sure when you hit the button it will roll over and light, step down to a less agressive lobe. I haven't had the chance to really study it out, but I know that some of the spring life issue come from flexing pushrods. As the lobe gets more agressive, you MUST get the pushrods stiffer. My next SFT deal will get 5/16-3/8 single taper pushrods at the minimum. I may go double taper. If I can fit them, I may go 3/8-7/16. I see way too much stuff with pushrods that are too flimsy for a decent 1980's lobe.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/04/20 03:15 PM
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Its sure looking like Hughes should be the last place to buy a flat tappet cam, but what about their roller cams? I haven't heard of anyone using one yet. I have bought a bunch of items from them over the years and never had a problem with any of it as far as quality is concerned, but never a flat tappet cam. They are ok to deal with as long as your spending money and don't ask for a refund by the sounds of it. Oh, and don't ask questions or your in real trouble. 20 posts of people with bad experiences...and with all that said you want to ask if you should buy something from them?
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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01/04/20 04:15 PM
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Its sure looking like Hughes should be the last place to buy a flat tappet cam, but what about their roller cams? I haven't heard of anyone using one yet. I have bought a bunch of items from them over the years and never had a problem with any of it as far as quality is concerned, but never a flat tappet cam. They are ok to deal with as long as your spending money and don't ask for a refund by the sounds of it. Oh, and don't ask questions or your in real trouble. 20 posts of people with bad experiences...and with all that said you want to ask if you should buy something from them? I dont get the guy.... lol Gets more advice than probably anybody in the history of Moparts
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car Best so far, 10.32 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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I dont get the guy.... lol Gets more advice than probably anybody in the history of Moparts Agreed, the frequent stretched out inquisitive posts must be a hobby
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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01/04/20 06:19 PM
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When I’m curious about something or just plain don’t know, I ask the question. Don’t see the harm. Should I just stop posting after the first reply? I don’t get you. The minute someone doesn’t understand my comments or are rubbed the wrong way by them for whatever reason you always jump right in like a shark in a feeding frenzy.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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01/04/20 06:58 PM
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I ran a big Hughes SFT cam in my 340 for over twenty years and in two different blocks. I broke it in originally with just the outer springs from Hughes. Put the inners in but they weren't enough pressure. Engine would float the valves at 7500. I don't remember exactly what I put in for a valve spring but IIRC they were about 220 on the seat and a little over 440 over the nose. Never had a problem with that cam running it to 8000. Sounded like a roller at idle too. So there is that. I still have that cam somewhere and wouldn't be afraid to run it again.
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/04/20 08:50 PM
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I got 4 engines with Hughes Flat tappet cams....one hydraulic flat tappet in a street car....couple more in spare short blocks...
Have broken them in with the dual springs......
never had any flat lobes.....
Tony
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
[Re: mopar dave]
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01/05/20 10:51 AM
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When I’m curious about something or just plain don’t know, I ask the question. Don’t see the harm. Should I just stop posting after the first reply? I don’t get you. The minute someone doesn’t understand my comments or are rubbed the wrong way by them for whatever reason you always jump right in like a shark in a feeding frenzy. I have commented like i did above 2 or maybe 3 times ever on your threads. Thats over like 20 years. And its been when poster after poster( like in this thread) tell you the same thing over and over again. At some point you probably should take consensus advice for what it is. Consensus advice.
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69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car Best so far, 10.32 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.56 at 104.17
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Re: Hughes engines camshafts
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01/05/20 01:25 PM
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i've ran Hughes solid cams for years. first one was in 2008. HTL5660AS SB stroker 410'', still going strong in 2020. last year i put in a HTL6468AS in my 360''. i have zero complaints with there cams.
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