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Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket #2727038
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I have these .039 head gaskets left over from the original build unused. .039 gasket on a 511 with steel rod and .002 out of bore safe at under 7000 rpm?

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: mopar dave] #2727050
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Been running those forever w/my 470.............

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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Thumperdart] #2727082
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I know the quality of the gasket is enough to last, was a bit concerned with the .037" quench I would have with this gasket. I was at my fathers for Christmas and seen these hanging on the garage wall. Forgot I put them there couple years ago. Figure I might as well use them.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: mopar dave] #2727087
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My pistons are -.002 in the hole............


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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: mopar dave] #2727096
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Run 'em.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: mopar dave] #2727097
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They should work okay but they'll brinell the heads and then you'll need to have the heads surfaced next time you pull the heads off. I got tired of surfacing heads so I switched over to Cometic gaskets only with aluminum heads.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: AndyF] #2727106
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The Marine gasket doesn't have the wire in the fire ring like the Fel-Pro "race" gaskets; not sure if that will reduce the likelihood of brinelling the head. Dimension-wise, it's identical to the standard Permatorque head gasket: 4.500" bore and compressed thickness right about .040".

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: BradH] #2727112
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The spec is .039", but I measure .045 with my mic. They do have the sealing ring on each cylinder. I figure run them a couple years, pull heads, have them shaved alittle more and roller springs set up, put back on, go fast.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: mopar dave] #2727178
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.037 is fine. It's also a very good gasket.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: B1MAXX] #2727210
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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
.037 is fine. It's also a very good gasket.
iagree
I would run them also up


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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Cab_Burge] #2727332
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The FP 17059 has a stainless steel solid core and a stainless steel folded over armor for each cylinder. Stainless steel will not rust in salt-water/marine environments.

It does not have the "Performance" internal wire ring that is common within the Fel-Pro Performance racing gaskets, such as the #1009 (big-block). That internal wire ring gives the superior combustion sealing assurance with high CRs, as well as combats against any detonation/pre-ignition inside the chamber... which is the #1 cause of burnt out head gaskets at the combustion seal area. The "FP Performance" head gasket also only have a tin-plate solid metal core... no need for SS since the environment will most likely not be salt-water/marine.

I'm a former FP engineer... so, this info should settle your concerns.


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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727340
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ok, I see. Some are using this gasket with high compression ratios with great results. Im gonna give it a try as well. What should the composite gasket mic at if its spec'd at .039 crush? Thanks

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727341
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Must be well engineered because they work at high compression successfully, without the ring. up Are you saying that there is a non-stainless version possibly cheaper?

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727346
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Ok, I understand now. What looks like a performance ring is not a ring at all, but folded over stainless from the core.

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727348
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Originally Posted by Mopar Mitch
The FP 17059 has a stainless steel solid core and a stainless steel folded over armor for each cylinder. Stainless steel will not rust in salt-water/marine environments.

It does not have the "Performance" internal wire ring that is common within the Fel-Pro Performance racing gaskets, such as the #1009 (big-block). That internal wire ring gives the superior combustion sealing assurance with high CRs, as well as combats against any detonation/pre-ignition inside the chamber... which is the #1 cause of burnt out head gaskets at the combustion seal area. The "FP Performance" head gasket also only have a tin-plate solid metal core... no need for SS since the environment will most likely not be salt-water/marine.

I'm a former FP engineer... so, this info should settle your concerns

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Most of use moved away from the 1009 and started using the 17059 because the wire Oring would overhang the Head chamber on heads like Edelbrock and Stealths. I could never understand why FelPro wouldn’t re-engineer the 1009 gasket to address this issue.


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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: pittsburghracer] #2727891
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Pittsburgh -- I suggest that you (and others) make a direct call into the Federal-Mogul Tech Line and speak your peace about this matter on the 1009 having the bore diameter a little too small... make an issue about it. (For those that don't know, Federal-Mogul bought out Fel-Pro back in 1998... )


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The 1009 was made for the 426 and 383 4.250 bore size, not for the .4.320 +.060 440 bore size shruggy
Not many of those motors around now so maybe the powers to be at Federal mogul need to take it to the next level as already mentioned up work
Every one on here who wants to become a Hi Po activist should contact F.M and tell them we need that type Hi Po head gasket increase to say 4.410 bore size or so up scope


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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727931
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Originally Posted by Mopar Mitch
Pittsburgh -- I suggest that you (and others) make a direct call into the Federal-Mogul Tech Line and speak your peace about this matter on the 1009 having the bore diameter a little too small... make an issue about it. (For those that don't know, Federal-Mogul bought out Fel-Pro back in 1998... )





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Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727933
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Originally Posted by Mopar Mitch
The FP 17059 has a stainless steel solid core and a stainless steel folded over armor for each cylinder. Stainless steel will not rust in salt-water/marine environments.

It does not have the "Performance" internal wire ring that is common within the Fel-Pro Performance racing gaskets, such as the #1009 (big-block). That internal wire ring gives the superior combustion sealing assurance with high CRs, as well as combats against any detonation/pre-ignition inside the chamber... which is the #1 cause of burnt out head gaskets at the combustion seal area. The "FP Performance" head gasket also only have a tin-plate solid metal core... no need for SS since the environment will most likely not be salt-water/marine.

I'm a former FP engineer... so, this info should settle your concerns.
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Mitch, Do you know of a non stainless FP gasket? Or is it simply the PT number? up

Re: Fel-Pro 17059 marine head gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2727963
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To your point I always run them because the tracks expect us to only run straight water for easier clean up on engine damage and leaks, so again as you say, no rust issues with not having antifreeze.

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