Re: Bell housing Dowels
[Re: DrCharles]
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12/16/19 06:08 PM
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The holes in your block are probably .500 and dowels are usually .5002 or so. This site is for Mopars. Take your Chevy comments to a Chevy site.
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
[Re: Stanton]
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12/16/19 08:33 PM
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The holes in your block are probably .500 and dowels are usually .5002 or so. This site is for Mopars. Take your Chevy comments to a Chevy site. That is standard machine shop practices. I figured all manufactures would do that. So you saying the block holes are .496? "Cause m dowels are .5002 But they are aftermarket I think. Please clarify.
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
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12/16/19 11:45 PM
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So you saying the block holes are .496? Precisely. And was mentioned in the very first post !
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
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12/17/19 12:34 AM
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I'm looking for long bell housing dowels, I know Lakewood makes a set but they are .500" in diameter. Does anybody make .496" dowels? I don't want to break a block with a .004" press fit. RobbMC makes Mopar dowels. Everyone else sells Chevy dowels which won't fit. You can also have a machine shop make some dowels for you. Just tell them how long and what diameter you want.
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
[Re: Stanton]
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12/17/19 09:24 AM
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I stand corrected. Went and measured my aftermarket, and standard machine shop dowels and one factory dowel.
Standards were .5001-2 factory .498. Holes in trans, 3 of them were .498 to .500. Never had a reason to measure before.
I saw the .496 hole in the first post.
So, now I know, factory, Mopar, made small holes and mopar dowels, Chevy didn't. And, people here can be wise and sarcastic (I actually knew that), and maybe most importantly, can't stand Chevy type tech.
Have a nice day.
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
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12/17/19 10:24 AM
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I've had trouble removing dowels in the past that were .500". I need longer (and offset) dowels in my current motor. Hopeing to weld fine thread Allen's (head to dowel). Then using a piece of tube , flat washer and a nut to pull them. Tried heat on a previous Mega block and cracked the right dowel bore. Ended up boring the hole. Plugging the hole and reboreing a new dowel pin hole. Dont want to go thru that again. Doug Easiest way to remove dowels ... Drill a hole down the middle all the way through. Work you way up to around 3/8". Put grease in the void behind the dowel - the void is pretty big as those dowel holes are deep so filling them with grease is tedious. Once you have them quite full, use a bolt the same size as the hole with the threads cut off to bound into the grease filled void. The hydraulic pressure will push the dowel out.
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
[Re: SportF]
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12/17/19 03:17 PM
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A lot of after market/standard dowels (including the ones I have) are tool steel and there is just no drilling of those. Interestingly, MIL-SPEC dowels I have dealt with have a tapped hole in them for pulling.
A .002 interference fit is a kinda of a "never meant to come apart fit". This might be Chevy tech so I am reluctant to say anything. I'll stop now. What's the point of "tool steel" dowels, they do nothing requiring that grade, not to mention the added expense. Drillin he dowels and filling the void with grease as been a common practice for well over 40 years. Ok, not "everyone" is aware of it bu many are. Never heard of any issues of not being able to drill them. Any Mopar dowels I have used are NOT interference fit, they fit the holes and still turn with little effort and with offset dowels that's the whole point - you have to be able to turn them to dial in the runout as close as possible. Dowels are not hard to remove because they're "interference fit", they're hard to remove because over the years they've rusted into place. Riddle me this ... if the dowels are interference fit in the block, are they also interference fit in the bell or trans - because I've never seen anyone have a terrible struggle to remove a bell or trans. So, did they make bell/trans holes slightly larger than block holes? Or did they make the dowels narrower on one end? I don't think so!
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Re: Bell housing Dowels
[Re: Stanton]
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12/17/19 05:46 PM
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Here is an aftermarket dowel, or one like you would get from Grainger or MSC. Its .5002.
I checked a mopar dowel and its "soft". Why tool steel? You are right, we don't need that. But a lot of machine applications apparently do.
This has a ground surface for accuracy. I doubt Mopar dowels are that spot on. But I don't know, but as I said, I learned more about Mopar dowels today than I probably need.
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