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Re: Brett miller and the mw victor project
[Re: BradH]
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10/21/19 01:56 PM
10/21/19 01:56 PM
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My last data points, then I'll back away from the keyboard and let the discussion continue without me.
Avg of 4 intake port tests on PRH flow bench with 2.20" valve: .100 - 75 .200 - 151 .300 - 220 .400 - 280 .500 - 326 .600 - 346 .700 - 355
294 cc; Min CSA 2.65; Avg CSA 2.76
This is a true standard port opening that requires no gasket trimming for proper port alignment.
EDIT (and THEN I'll go away): To anyone outside of the Mopar world, those specs would pass for a mediocre -- at best -- 15* SB Chevy head. I've joked around before that building a stock-stroke 440 is basically building a stroker small-block with a really sh!tty bob weight. Those are impressive flow numbers for that size port, very efficient. Where at in the port is that 2.65 MCSA located?
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Re: Brett miller and the mw victor project
[Re: BradH]
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10/21/19 03:29 PM
10/21/19 03:29 PM
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jwb123
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My last data points, then I'll back away from the keyboard and let the discussion continue without me.
Avg of 4 intake port tests on PRH flow bench with 2.20" valve: .100 - 75 .200 - 151 .300 - 220 .400 - 280 .500 - 326 .600 - 346 .700 - 355
294 cc; Min CSA 2.65; Avg CSA 2.76
This is a true standard port opening that requires no gasket trimming for proper port alignment.
EDIT (and THEN I'll go away): To anyone outside of the Mopar world, those specs would pass for a mediocre -- at best -- 15* SB Chevy head. I've joked around before that building a stock-stroke 440 is basically building a stroker small-block with a really sh!tty bob weight. My heads are some of the early ones that I opened up to max wedge specs myself, I got these numbers super flow 450 bench at 28 inches clay radius on intake and no pipe on the exhaust. Stock gasket opening like yours. intake .100 75cfm .200 149 .300 219 .400 299 .500 323 .600 330 exhaust .100 57 .200 109 .300 157 .400 190 .500 209 .600 222 I never flowed them at a higher lift as at the time my cam was just slightly over .600 lift 3,200lb 512 CID, car ran best of 9.65 @ 139mph NSS car with two 750 AFB's So from your experience I don't have much left in porting these heads any more? Any comments or tips is appreciated. On the engine stand now, will be 540 CID with a .740 lift cam for next year.
Last edited by jwb123; 10/21/19 03:31 PM.
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Re: Brett miller and the mw victor project
[Re: jwb123]
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10/21/19 04:39 PM
10/21/19 04:39 PM
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First, understand that comparing your numbers to numbers from other benches is often just comparing flow benches.
What you really want to know is, what did they flow before you worked on them compared to after.
That being the preface for this: 299@.400 seems like a really really high number for those heads...... I wouldn’t expect to see that here. Never say never....... but that would be freakishly high for a B.B. Mopar wedge head. On the other side of the coin, 220@.700 seems pretty low for the ex ports.
One of the first sets of Victor heads I worked on was before the MW version existed. Owner wanted to use a MW manifold, so I opened the std ones to MW size. They had already rec’d some blending/clean up when I got them. I tested them as rec’d, then with the opening enlarged, and the roof line blended deep enough to make from a smooth transition up to the new opening. I’d have to find my notes to see the exact difference that alone made....... but it was very very little...... like under 5cfm. They were also in the 330@.700 range. I ended up getting them near 350 after going MW size and then making the rest of the port a little bigger as well.
How I remember those is that the low/mid-lift numbers were fairly soft.
Edit...... found my notes...... As rec’d, std port opening - 334.0 @.700 Open to MW size - 334.8 @.700 Recut seats, rework chamber, raise roof more, and farther into runner - 349.4 @.700
All those tests showed right about 266 @.400.
Low lift flow not as I had remembered.... .100— 69 .200—146 .300—215
I’m pretty sure with more of a “dyno contest” cam and a better working carb we could have tweaked another 15-20hp out of Brads motor.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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