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Mach Index #2697831
09/15/19 06:46 PM
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I was just over on the Wallace Racing calcs and plugged some numbers into the calculator, since I have been told these MW Victors have lazy ports( poor volumetric efficiency) and my Mach Index is .66. Wallace says anything over .50 requires a late intake closing point of 60 to 90* ABDC. My cam has a 61* closing point. Anyone up on this Mach Index stuff? Any truth to it? I could use some schooling on this. Thanks

Re: Mach Index [Re: mopar dave] #2697862
09/15/19 08:14 PM
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Most of the cams I have seen for the Mopars tend to have more exhaust duration than intake duration....Seems to lend some truth to what your asking, at least on the exhaust side.

If I had a good set of heads on my Duster, I can tell you that thing would fly....Mine only flow 325cfm......6.12 ET last week at 112mph.....We have a set of CNC'd 325 Big EZ heads down at the shop I may decide I need to own....Although the only shop with a way to flow them closed up last year....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Mach Index [Re: mopar dave] #2697880
09/15/19 09:06 PM
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My unsolicited twocents ... don't bother going down that path. You'll end up chasing your own tail trying to use the outputs from some of the "calculators" on that site. Example: I put dead-nuts accurate data into the "DSCR calculator" and the cranking pressure output was 30+ psi lower than my results for the real engine from which I took the data.

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Re: Mach Index [Re: BradH] #2697959
09/16/19 07:49 AM
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I'm thinking about spending the money on the performance trend program. I have been told its very accurate by someone on here that uses it.
My cranking compression is 175-180, I think it would be beneficial if it where closer to 200. Not sure something like that would show on a time slip, but every little bit counts IMO.

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Re: Mach Index [Re: mopar dave] #2697977
09/16/19 09:00 AM
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I own a number of engine simulation programs ranging from early Desktop Dyno to the top-of-the-line Engine Analyzer Pro. EA Pro gave me sort-of-accurate results AFTER I gamed a bunch of the parameters to try and get it to replicate actual engine dyno results for known BBM combinations. Plugging in the actual data prior to that gave questionable-at-best results, which is I why I felt the need to jack around w/ the features to try and get more realistic results.

After I had gamed my "sort of accurate" EA Pro baseline, I provided the actual inputs for someone else to run in the latest version (at the time) of Dynomation. Not only were the results very different from each other, neither were that close in terms of outputs & RPMs to the actual data from my engine dyno session(s). The Performance Trends Engine Analyzer programs -- I have (had?) -- showed more realistic TRENDS from certain component spec changes than the Dynomation program did, but weren't necessarily accurate from a predictive standpoint.

I gave up on engine simulation programs after that and consider them all toys, or at least the ones I can afford to purchase. If I ever got the itch to buy another program (NOT likely), I'd look more seriously at the latest PipeMax release (4.?). I have an older 3.9x version which is far less robust in features, but at least provided some usable outputs for what I was doing.

EDIT: This is my "Last Hurrah!" on the subject: If you're a Speed-Talk member and can access the Advanced Engine Tech forum, you might want to read through this: https://www.speed-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=49826&hilit=mach

Re: Mach Index [Re: BradH] #2698007
09/16/19 10:40 AM
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ok, i'll check out the new pipemax 4.0. I was under the understanding the new Trends was quite good. Maybe not. Thanks brad







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