T-bar height adj oddity
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Looking at a '68 B-body, rebuilt suspension. restored 75,000-mile car... For setting ride height, there's the bolt, the swivel that's captive & the control arm, and the blade the bolt adjusts for ride height. Car sits even R/L, drives fine except a consistent light pull to the left. (new radials, road crown cambered slightly to right, tire pressures @ 32) Rt adjusting bolt has about 1/2" thread showing below swivel, but Lt bolt is tight against its swivel. Is it possible that the arm or blade was mis-clocked during reassembly? IIRC, it's a hex, so I'd expect that wouldn't translate to the discrepancy; I'd expect more (being 60 degrees per hex face), right? Never had one with that difference (usually 1/2 inch to an inch exposed thread). I've never had a weak or failed torsion bar even at over 2X that mileage, and nothing besides that adjustment indicates that's the problem. But I guess anything's possible, (thinking about it as I type).
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Re: T-bar height adj oddity
[Re: Fab64]
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mis-matched bars LH bar twisted/failing? "fixed" anchor points on crossmember
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Re: T-bar height adj oddity
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A little further down the rabbit hole... Looked at the T-bars, ends are stamped 456R/092 (R) and 457L/231 (L). They measure .850" about midway. Everything looks basically new or rebuilt. Restoration has about 4,000 miles on it, car had under 69K on odometer before that. Those 456/457 #s don't show up on the broadcast sheet ("779 left" / "778 right"), nor in my MP chassis book. I suppose it could have drag race bars in it (FSM spec is .88"): though that doesn't match the rest of the restoration, the car did make a few passes in its past and has Calvert shocks in it. (Possibly misleading comparison/reference: my SB Duster has even smaller bars, been in there almost 50 years, no sagging, but it's 3000 lbs & has never seen street use.)
I'd like to sort this out before the wheel alignment, will also try R/L tire swap to check for "radial pull".
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Re: T-bar height adj oddity
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07/24/19 11:04 PM
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a body torsion bars are shorter than B body, so wheel rates are different if the same diameter. do a google image search for torsion bars, there are charts that will show wheel rates. I would just replace the bars. .850" is too small IMO. edit: oh here you go. the moparts archives... http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/susp/16.html
Last edited by krautrock; 07/24/19 11:06 PM.
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Re: T-bar height adj oddity
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07/28/19 11:06 PM
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The pull is not from the bars. Imagine if you had a thick bar in 1 side, thin on the other. Adjusted the ride height so it was the same. If the car is just cruising down the highway at that moment the difference in left to right has no effect but the car pulls to one side.
That is coming from the tires or the alignment. Swap tires left to right and report back. I'd also scrap the road crown alignment and match left to right caster and camber as best as you can.
As for the bounce test and thin bars. Most likely the shocks are preventing and bouncing you are expecting because .850 is a pretty thin bar.
Last edited by Magnum; 07/28/19 11:06 PM.
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