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I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? #2677895
07/16/19 11:25 AM
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I'm starting to make time to put the Imperial's 440 together. The original plan was to inject it but I think I'm going to go with a carb for a while. That would get me on the road quicker and allow me to use the extra funds for other stuff on the car.
I've been looking at the Street Demon and my CH4B.

The engine is built for low to mid-range torque with 10.2:1 compression, Eddy heads, and a mild cam. The old Desktop Dyno software suggested the build would make 460+ lb/ft from 2000 - 5000 with a peak nudging 500 lb/ft. HP would top out around 440. It's a 5300 lb car with a 3.23 gear and 29" tires.

So, assuming I can turn 400 lb/ft at the wheels to get this fatty cruising effortlessly down the highway, should I do it with a reman TQ and different intake or stick with the Street Demon and CH4B? Sadly, I don't have hood clearance for a Performer RPM or carb spacer.

My first car was a 74 RR with a 360 and I miss the sound of that Thermoquad at full gallop. The Imperial is very quiet and that howl would add that extra little touch that the old beasts need.

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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: feets] #2677904
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Might as well try the new Street Demon
. It gets great reviews and its design takes the best attributes of the Thermoquad , Quadra jet and AFB and puts it into an all new carburetor.


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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: 2boltmain] #2677907
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Hell yeah. Nuttin' sounds better than a thermoquad trying to suck the hood off. Plus, a well tuned thermoquad is a grrrreat carb.

Jack


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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: moparjack44] #2677911
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Originally Posted by moparjack44
Hell yeah. Nuttin' sounds better than a thermoquad trying to suck the hood off. Plus, a well tuned thermoquad is a grrrreat carb.

Jack


Agreed mopJack ... bester than a Berri crab any day ! penguin


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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: Doc Fiberglass] #2677946
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The only one of those new street demons I know of around here don't have the t-quad sound.


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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: HotRodDave] #2678001
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I would think a silenced vs unsilenced air cleaner would affect the sound of wide-open secondaries.
I can hear the secondaries on my AVS with the unsilenced type.
I don't recall hearing the T-quad under the silenced dual-snorkle being louder on another car I had some years back.
But that could be a sign of advancing age...

Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: topside] #2678023
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My vote is go with the TQ but ya can't really go by me - I'm running (4) of them. What year Imp are ya working on?


75 Charger SE - 440/4, cop suspension
76 Daytona - survivor
76 Daytona - tweaked
77 PW - macho clone, sno-commander, frankenram
79 RC - this was your fathers 4x4
79 LRE - More fun than it looks
Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: RWG75] #2678035
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Originally Posted by RWG75
My vote is go with the TQ but ya can't really go by me - I'm running (4) of them. What year Imp are ya working on?


FOUR diff cars ? ... now YOU get a free mEmEbErShIp into the ThermoSquad ! penguin


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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: feets] #2678076
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I have nothing directly on point. I did run a 800 cfm Holley spreadbore on the factory manifold on my Charger (4300 lbs, stock converter, 3.23, 915 heads, manifolds, 2 1/4" exhaust, MP 272 0.455" cam) after a fresh stock stroke rebuild and its low end was impressiveness. We took that carb/manifold off my car and put it on my buddies 68 X with a well worn, low compression 440 and it ran great too. Both cars would go sideways in 1st gear, and ran into the 13s at over 100 mph.

If it were me, I would go TQ, and use a regular Performer intake.

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Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: Doc Fiberglass] #2678166
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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Originally Posted by RWG75
My vote is go with the TQ but ya can't really go by me - I'm running (4) of them. What year Imp are ya working on?


FOUR diff cars ? ... now YOU get a free mEmEbErShIp into the ThermoSquad ! penguin


Do I get a window sticker with that?

Can I get 5 of them because I've got this other car I'm working on and...


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76 Daytona - survivor
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77 PW - macho clone, sno-commander, frankenram
79 RC - this was your fathers 4x4
79 LRE - More fun than it looks
Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: RWG75] #2678177
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Originally Posted by RWG75
My vote is go with the TQ but ya can't really go by me - I'm running (4) of them. What year Imp are ya working on?


It's a large by huge 72 Imperial crew cab.

Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: feets] #2678427
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Another vote for the Plastic Fantastic.

I ran one on a 429 I had in a 65 F100. It ran like nails. Great on fuel when driven accordingly and hard on Camaros when you didn't.

Kevin

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Best of both worlds reasonable mileage when driving easily and performance (and great sound) when getting sporty.

Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: Twostick] #2678486
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TQ all the way, fantastic carburetor design. Consider this, Chrysler used them from 1971 well into the 1980's on nearly every V8 they sold, they were in direct competition with fuel injection and performed well against it!

Re: I really want the Thermoquad sound but should I? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2678507
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T-Quads frigging rule. Find a decent used one & rebuild it. I'm saving an OE cast iron intake for a 440 I might have one day even! Came off a 440-Mag 73-74 Charger I found in a junkyard in AZ. many years ago.


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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Check out this apimp..... TQs A PAIR ... and all smiles ! up


Their is a pic of Grumpy Bill Jenkins and his tunnel rammed dual thermoquad pre 1970 Camaro out there.


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Originally Posted by feets
Originally Posted by RWG75
My vote is go with the TQ but ya can't really go by me - I'm running (4) of them. What year Imp are ya working on?


It's a large by huge 72 Imperial crew cab.


As opposed to those tiny coupes?

When it comes to big barges the fuselage ones have always been my faves. 70 ish 300 drop top on the bucket list. TQs really fit the luxo cruiser well - mild and quiet when running on just the primaries, terrifying in a refined and civilized way when you hold them all the way open. Depends on the gear. Later Imps had higher gears and I've driven a couple 74s and 75s that would shift in to 3rd around 80 mph. About the time the passengers start getting uncomfortable about how wound up the big block is and wondering if it will ever shift, it does and they really start to worry because it's still pulling like an aircraft tug.


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76 Daytona - survivor
76 Daytona - tweaked
77 PW - macho clone, sno-commander, frankenram
79 RC - this was your fathers 4x4
79 LRE - More fun than it looks
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