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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Dragula] #2896846
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We have sandbagged, maybe, but in that shot it ran 9.85 apparently. Winning the Keystone Nostalgia Nationals last September it went 9.34 on the winning pass.


Just pulling your chain. Nice package.

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Lol....he said that in writing...


Not pulling that chain and not talking about that package. SMH.

Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: A727Tflite] #2896880
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Don't know the part numbers off hand, but the Dart and the Road Runner have early MP heads, we bought them probably 15 years ago. The 66 Coronet has Stage V heads. My 65 has original iron heads from the late sixties. I do have a set of Edelbrock Victors sitting on the shelf here, bought them last fall. Also have a set of old Barnett prepped iron Super Stock heads. Don't know what will do with them yet. Perhaps turn my son's 64 wedge car into a Hemi, and use them on it. Or put a Hemi in my other son's 71 Satelite. This old man is satisfied with my ancient 426. I'll let them deal with it, and work it out. I'll referee.

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Steve1118] #2896987
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Good comments guys!

How does sandbagging work, if you are running to a time?
If you run a 9.30 and folks see it then your 'secret is out'...
Most cars run very close to their numbers, 'day in day out'...
My mates 512 Polara runs 13.2o all day long, every day.
Not fast but consistent as as a swiss cuckoo clock... drive

I had a Dart that ran 8.20 on pump gas and drove 50 miles with ease...
No It wasn't a Ray Barton hemi, just a 1971 400 iron block with Indy-1 heads...

We all know that getting hemi's to run fast is VERY, VERY expensive... whistling

But that's not the point here, ARE MP heads worth buying at £1200 bucks a pop...

I am now thinking maybe, just maybe, ditch the MP heads and 572 block and just go with PLAN-A, a KB...

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Gtxxjon] #2897230
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If anyone wants to scrap out some of those Junk MP heads ill send my fedex account so you can send em my way !

I have a set of them of them MCH porting and I made 1000hp with them, so I am pretty sure with the right prep those heads can work well in almost any application. Also if you end up with them make sure to have them decked flat, that is why a lot of those castings leak water in the corner. The ones i had were warped out of the box. It all comes down to dollars. I wouldn't pay retail as better heads exist for the money, but if you can get a deal on them they will work well.


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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: HemiDart68] #2897258
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Still need one myself, the other one is so lonely, it’s starting to do weird stuff!

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: HemiDart68] #2897314
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Originally Posted by HemiDart68
If anyone wants to scrap out some of those Junk MP heads ill send my fedex account so you can send em my way !

I have a set of them of them MCH porting and I made 1000hp with them, so I am pretty sure with the right prep those heads can work well in almost any application. Also if you end up with them make sure to have them decked flat, that is why a lot of those castings leak water in the corner. The ones i had were warped out of the box. It all comes down to dollars. I wouldn't pay retail as better heads exist for the money, but if you can get a deal on them they will work well.

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2897374
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If anyone wants to scrap out some of those Junk MP heads ill send my fedex account so you can send em my way !

I'll offer to get rid of them for you. Matter of fact, if they are within a few hundred miles of Pittsburgh I'll run over and pick them up for you. Retired, got plenty of time, it will be my contribution to a less cluttered environment in your shop.


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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: cudaman1969] #2897378
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To anyone who needs the 110-Ms....if you haven't yet, try calling Dwayne at Thunder Performance.

I had hoarded a medium-sized pile of those heads over the years working for the big blue "M", and sold him several of them last year.
(one was NOS). He had those as of early September '20, but not sure what he did with them.

I did keep one good used pair that the guy swapped out for Indy heads, but don't know when I'll get around to using them and am kind of on the fence about selling.








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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: ZIPPY] #2897481
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Do you have a good link to Dwayne?

Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: cudaman1969] #2897512
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PMd you his phone number again.

He doesn't have a website..


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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: ZIPPY] #2897680
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There is a single bare -M2 Aluminum head on eBay right now. New in the box.

I have a set I bought about 8-9 years ago that I am finishing for my SS car. I know a few of the Stock Eliminator guys are running them as well. Don Little has had the most success with them, even dabbling in SS a little with his Stocker.

Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Dragula] #2897688
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I did.


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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Steve1118] #2898066
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Hi Zippy and all who have contributed to this fine thread!

There are several folks 'out there' who need another 'MP' head or two lol.

If anyone in Moparland has a spare head or two ,PLEASE, PLEASE advertise them 'on here' or EBAY for us overseas buyers!

Not that fussed what I end up with really, an early 'SEAT-DROPPER' 'M head' or a revised 'M2', NOS would be wonderful.

Unfortunately some of you GUYS do NOT like to ship to the UK for understandable reasons (Gozzzy)... up

But we are needing some help over here to run the 'rarest' of all beasts a 'HEMI' in the UK!

I've waited all my adult life to get a Hemi up and running on a 'pensioners budget', so any help greatly appreciated...

Limey Pensioner John

I too am hoping to do this in my Limelight 71 GTX (437ci Hemi)... drive

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Gtxxjon] #2898153
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I've made more HP per C.I. with N/A BB, B and RB motors, than with N/A hemi motors shruggy BB 920 HP with a 540 C.I. B 1 motor single four barrel carb. which = 1.71 HP per C.I.
4.495X4.25=539.5 C.I. EFI dual throttle body with a 573 C.I. Street Hemi motor made 799.6 HP @ 6500 RPM which makes 1.40 HP per C.I.
Hemi motors (Hemiroid motors whistling) are over rated grin Their pistons are heavy, the valve train is not as stable in stock form as the wedge motors are and they are more work and money to build decently work
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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: Cab_Burge] #2898470
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
I've made more HP per C.I. with N/A BB, B and RB motors, than with N/A hemi motors shruggy BB 920 HP with a 540 C.I. B 1 motor single four barrel carb. which = 1.71 HP per C.I.
4.495X4.25=539.5 C.I. EFI dual throttle body with a 573 C.I. Street Hemi motor made 799.6 HP @ 6500 RPM which makes 1.40 HP per C.I.
Hemi motors (Hemiroid motors whistling) are over rated grin Their pistons are heavy, the valve train is not as stable in stock form as the wedge motors are and they are more work and money to build decently work
Be careful of what you ask for twocents


No doubt, if your building a hemi it is generally for a nostalgic appreciation of the motor. Easier way to go fast. What i will say is the hemi will carry a lot more weight on the resale side.


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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: HemiDart68] #2898482
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Well I guess a 440 would have run faster in those 68 Cuda’s and Darts than the stupid Hemi, what was Chrysler thinking?!

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Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: cudaman1969] #2898496
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Well I guess a 440 would have run faster in those 68 Cuda’s and Darts than the stupid Hemi, what was Chrysler thinking?!


That was 60 years ago. They didn't know then what we know now.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Well I guess a 440 would have run faster in those 68 Cuda’s and Darts than the stupid Hemi, what was Chrysler thinking?!


That was 60 years ago. They didn't know then what we know now.

So they DON’T use the same knowledge on any engine now?
BTW what’s the go to engine now on the Street Outlaws? It ain’t no ‘wedge’ engine from what I’ve seen

Re: HEMI guys..... aluminum MP heads [Re: cudaman1969] #2898552
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Is the 99 race Mopar hemi a Hemi motor or not? work shruggy
426 Hemiroid motors were design, cast and put into production in late 1963 to help Dodge and Plymouth stay ahead of the other brands and the motors had to be installed on assembly line per NHRA and NASCAR rules at that time, hence the compromise on designing the valve train whiney
As far as a billet all out aluminum race hemi that has had all the bad OEM design problems fix under todays rules that can't be ran on the street is it still consider Hemi or is it a all out custom built race motor shruggy work
I think the first Hemi motor designs were made in air cooled aircraft engines in the early 1900s.
European car makers were using them long before Chrysler started making and installing them in the 1951 Chrysler V8 cars shruggy scope

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Let’s see, SS/AH Hemi at .080”:over is 441 cubic inches.

Last I heard they are around 950hp.

950 / 441 = 2.15 hp per cu. in. Even at 880 hp that’s 2 hp per cube.

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