Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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I'm in the process of getting my high school car back on the road. 440 9.6 to 1 TRW Mopar performance .528 solid cam Ported 906 heads with 2.14-1.81 crane gold roller rockers Hooker headers Offenhauser intake with holley 600 1850 vacuum secondary carbs. Progressive linkage. 4spd with 4.10
And now the question: When I rebuild the carbs is there any advantage to leaving or eliminating the power valve in the secondary carb? Also any other tips/advice appreciated
Just finished tuning a customers 440 with an Air fuel ratio sensor and boy was that nice. I'm excited to get this old 440 running better than ever.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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I'll give you my limited experience with dual carbs. I would keep both carbs the same and use a wide band to bring them in. When you introduce a variable in one carb, but not the other, now you can have issues getting the jetting under load correct. I don't see any advantage to removing the PV but YMMV. Go online to Diamondback Racing, they have the best tips I found on setting up dual quads. www.diamondbackengines.com Look under white pages-dual quads
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
[Re: MoonshineMattK]
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The linkage is a bit of a question. I had better results with my 383 (OEM Chrysler 343 HP divided single plane iron manifold) with 2 AVS idling on both, It's a trade-off: simultaneous has better distribution but more sensitive to vacuum changes.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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The transition slot restriction will determine how smooth the power comes in from idle to mid range power. I don't like the idea of the progressive linkage. The vacuum secondaries are already acting as a progressive linkage. You are really screwing with the airflow and fuel distribution by having everything open at different times. I was thinking the same thing as you guys making them tandem. He said he worked it though and it was a better all around situation with the progressive. I would just use the wide band and the a$$ometer to make everything happy? If tuning at the track, jet up until it slows down the go back a step.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
[Re: sgcuda]
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I can’t think of any reason you wouldn’t want to retain the PV in both carbs running 1-to-1 linkage. Removing it from “secondary” carb with a staged linkage might produce satisfactory results, depending on how far into the primary carb you are before the secondary kicks in. Even with stock Holley 4150 carbs....... some utilize a secondary PV....... some don’t. I would let the a/f gauge be your guide. . You are really screwing with the airflow and fuel distribution by having everything open at different times. Fundamentally, it’s not any different than a street hemi with the factory staged linkage and a pair of AFB’s. With dual Holley style vacuum secondary carbs, I’d connect both vacuum pods together so they worked in tandem.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
[Re: Dave Hall]
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How do you get an A:F reading on a specific vacuum point, w/o a dyno?
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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How do you get an A:F reading on a specific vacuum point, w/o a dyno? Find a long straight uphill section of road. A long mountain pass works but might not exist locally for most people.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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Maybe consider Holley EFI sniper system instead...it is designed for tuning dual quads!
My 2 cents...
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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I can’t think of any reason you wouldn’t want to retain the PV in both carbs running 1-to-1 linkage. Removing it from “secondary” carb with a staged linkage might produce satisfactory results, depending on how far into the primary carb you are before the secondary kicks in. Even with stock Holley 4150 carbs....... some utilize a secondary PV....... some don’t. I would let the a/f gauge be your guide. . You are really screwing with the airflow and fuel distribution by having everything open at different times. Fundamentally, it’s not any different than a street hemi with the factory staged linkage and a pair of AFB’s. With dual Holley style vacuum secondary carbs, I’d connect both vacuum pods together so they worked in tandem. That really needs to be done with vacuum secondary carbs to get them both to open the same together you should make sure they both have the same springs in the vacuum pods also The main thing I keep in mind on any inline dual quad motor with a single plane intake manifolds is to not starve the front cylinders by using progressive linkage You do want instant throttle response, correct On my pump gas street motors I've found they run really good and clean with 14.8 or higher AFR on the wide ban at light part throttle cruising below 2300 RPM
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
[Re: MoonshineMattK]
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I wrote to Bill Jenkins in 1970 about jetting changes vs. linkage (383, 343 hp 2 X 4 factory manifold). I said "won't the vacuum at every opposing pair of ports change when progressive linkage moves?" He agreed, no way to really fix it except testing.
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Re: Tuning Dual Quad Holleys
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Last edited by Cab_Burge; 06/09/19 11:30 PM.
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