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Looks normal for a first coat, which usually doesn't look very good.  The rustoleum marine paint does look interesting. linkHow much does the stuff cost and where do you get it? Is it a urethane like brightside?
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I got it for 11 bucks a quart at Lowes. They have a small display of it at the end of one of their paint isles. I honestly couldnt tell you if its a urethane. The can is less than helpful. It goes on smooth though.
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Ok, I must have done something wrong. I had to sand all of the blue paint off this morning. I waited 24 hours and tried to wet sand before the second coat and it was just peeling off in spots and gummy in others where there was SEM self etching primer. On the flip side it was dry and hard on the other half of the decklid. I am thinking either I did not clean the surface as good as I should have or I did not wait long enough. So I just resurfaced the decklid and laid down more etching primer as I cut back down to the metal in spots. Do you think the rustoleum is not compatible with SEM etching primer? They sell a marine primer I am going to try if it does it again. Your thoughts??
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it was just peeling off in spots and gummy in others where there was SEM self etching primer.
Sounds like it has to do with the primer or your surface prep.
You know you don't have to prime if you are using the Rustoleum, right? Just paint right on the bare metal.
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I primed all bare metal with several brands of rattle-can self etching primers with no drying or adhesion problems with regular Rustoleum. Maybe the primer absorbed your prep wipe with solvent and you didnt give it enough time to evaporate.
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I am definitely going to point the finger at my prep work. I just re sanded the whole panel and re primed it. After giving it the recommended drying time I scuffed it and re applied the paint with no thinning this time. ( the can says you don't have to. I will check it again tomorrow to see if I did any better.
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12/31/06 10:30 PM
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Ok, I must have done something wrong. I had to sand all of the blue paint off this morning. I waited 24 hours and tried to wet sand before the second coat and it was just peeling off in spots and gummy in others where there was SEM self etching primer. On the flip side it was dry and hard on the other half of the decklid. I am thinking either I did not clean the surface as good as I should have or I did not wait long enough. So I just resurfaced the decklid and laid down more etching primer as I cut back down to the metal in spots. Do you think the rustoleum is not compatible with SEM etching primer? They sell a marine primer I am going to try if it does it again. Your thoughts??
I'm pretty sure you're not suppose to paint directly over self etch. I'm assuming this was placed directly over metal?
You're suppose to seal it after self etch, if memory serves me.
SEM makes top of the line 1k stuff.
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Exit, Did you use rustoleum professional, or stops rust, first? Who used Professional? I can get easily get either here, and I am taking the car down to bare metal. I'll go to brightside for the topcoat later
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I've been considering brightside or blue water myself taking into consideration the UV protection and "snow birding" in salty air and beach conditions.
I've been using Rust-oleum Professional. I can't recall what exactly Exit was using off the top of my head, or if it was posted.
As a primer, rust-oleum professional seems to sand down smoother, seal (bondo), and hold up better than primers I've used in the past such as Dui-color and another automotive primer whos name escapes me at the moment.
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I used Black Professional with no primer. Sanded plenty of it also during the learning curve.
Exit used Professional when he went through his white era. The red was Stops rust. IIRC.
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Ive had a bit of experience in the past with painting and after buying the kit, and then spending 1000€ (around 1800$ or so) on metallic land rover paint, clear coat, primer and mixing agents. I painted my land rover with a paintgun and the results werent very good, as the gun didnt have a filter it started shooting lumps of paint at the car which messed things up, then the clear coat wouldnt land on the car well and exhausted and frustrated I decided that was it and Id pay someone to do a pro job. Note I did it outside. Now Im going to try brightside and am very hopeful, if not ill resort to having it done professionally. Here are some pics of it painted with a compressor and paint gun:   more pictures here: http://www.marbellamist.com/defender/index.html
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Hi guys, It's been about three months since I've done this paint job and the paint is holding well. I honestly forgot to give everyone an update and show you the writeup I made. http://www.ss14.net/writeup_rollerpj.htmlUnfortunately I'm going to eventually cease my website altogether....so someone read up while you can...or save it on your computer. Also...feel free to let me know what you think. 
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Ok, so i'm not real impressed with Rustoleums boat paint. Heres what I did:
Sanded the panel with 220 then 400
Washed with mild soap and water
Dried
Wiped down with mineral spirits and let dry for 2 hours
Wiped down with tack cloth
Applied paint
Waited 48 hours
The paint started flaking right off. I guess I will try the professional series unless anyone can point out a step I did to cause poor adhesion.
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01/02/07 11:41 PM
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How did you wipe w/ tack cloth? They can leave a residue if pressed hard. Someone mentioned the powder from latex gloves causes adhesion issues too. What kind of soap did you use? Quote:
Ok, so i'm not real impressed with Rustoleums boat paint. Heres what I did:
Sanded the panel with 220 then 400
Washed with mild soap and water
Dried
Wiped down with mineral spirits and let dry for 2 hours
Wiped down with tack cloth
Applied paint
Waited 48 hours
The paint started flaking right off. I guess I will try the professional series unless anyone can point out a step I did to cause poor adhesion.
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Hey all, I was following this thread a while back, and recently painted my crx (actually did it like a month ago). I was in a hurry and kinda on a tight budget, so.. Used rustoleum stop rust gloss black for the top portions, and rustoleum professional safety red for the red parts. Only used a quart to paint the whole car! I dunno how that happened but it did. Thinned the paint about 30%. NO WETSANDING between coats, but ONE final wetsand of 1500 to get out orange peel. Had no issues with dust particles causing pits, etc. All the dust came out and it was smooth. Then did a quick (by quick I mean quick!) hand polish using 3m rubbing compound then turtle wax polish. Was only trying to get an OEM quality job, so I am pleased with teh results, especially the cost, although it was quite a bit of work. Sorry I only have two snaps as of now it's been really rainy and they arent very good pics, but the paint is comparable to any oem job out, probably better then some (after doing this I notice many oem jobs with LOTS of orange peel).  *Hood had peeling clear coat, and needs to be resanded, hard to tell in the pics though, but its wavy. 
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01/03/07 08:58 AM
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Ok, so i'm not real impressed with Rustoleums boat paint. Heres what I did:
Sanded the panel with 220 then 400
Washed with mild soap and water
Dried
Wiped down with mineral spirits and let dry for 2 hours
Wiped down with tack cloth
Applied paint
Waited 48 hours
The paint started flaking right off. I guess I will try the professional series unless anyone can point out a step I did to cause poor adhesion.
You didn't mention whether you primed or not. Does the boat paint require a primed surface?
I thought that was another difference between the brightside and the regular rustoleum; The Rustoleum adhered to bare metal but the brightside required a primed surface.
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01/03/07 10:48 AM
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Nice Job! How many coats did you do in total?
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01/03/07 01:02 PM
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 Very nice job, you did it yourself, you saved money, and your satisfied, what else can you say. I have a 2005 Dodge Caravan, magnesium green, it's got orange peel too. I will painting my 48 Chrys Coupe using this method with Tremclad Colonial Blue, I have done many test pieces all with good results, it's work, but so what, it's a learning experience and you get a sense of accomplishment, I love the look on people's faces when you tell them you did the paint with a roller and rust paint, Its classic..C38coupe
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