Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I should have been more clear and said it was looking like about $200 (give or take) for both tools combined. The HF puller approach looks like a good idea. I found a video on YouTube last night showing someone pulling a bushing w/ a small OTC-brand puller, so I kinda had that idea in mind already. Nice to see that something I can buy 10 minutes from my house will work. I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster. I just did this on Sunday, that video on you tube is what made me think to grab the puller.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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04/03/19 11:24 PM
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I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster. Trust me on using a stock used oil pump drive gear and shaft to install the bushing, it flat works great I've install hundreds of them that way with no bad results, so far Take a look at the bushings, all the ones I've installed have a taper on the oil pump end and a relief around the flange on top so the taper helps center the bushing to start with and after it is in 1/4 to 1/2 inch it is going in straight, the flange protect the inner bushing from collapsing and interfering on the clearances like I use to have happen when I drove them in with a bronze drift only If you wanted to use a long bolt or a piece of althread to suck the bushing in with nuts and flat washers that will work also Lots of choices on this
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I do have a nice used shaft if I choose to do the install w/o the tool. For anyone that has the Proform tool mentioned above, is it machined properly to not ream out the bushing excessively? Some of the Proform stuff I've had in the past has been pretty sloppy on fit & finish, so I don't trust anything from that company. The other option is to hunt down a "genuine" MIller C-3053, but it may be more expensive. Good news: I have a Harbor Freight 20% Off coupon for one item good through the end of the month. I can get their bushing puller kit for about $60, and like that idea better than using the "official" tool that screws into the old bushing, since the puller won't be cutting threads that could leave brass debris in the engine.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... It is right where you left it
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,,
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad, maybe you put the filter cutter in the trailer? That must be where it is!
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items. Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Getting the outer cover off is easy, cutting the pleated paper element out of the end holder is the harder part, That needs to be done so you can look into the bottom of all the pleats. Do you have a sharp knife or long pointed box cutter? They both work well New motors always make metal
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items. Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before. Classic. Same thing happens to me so much it no longer affects me. I just know to buy two, maybe three of everything and put them in different places. I end up buying that many anyway. I save time that way.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Mine now! And it's a real Miller C-3053, too. Got the puller kit from HF on Saturday, so the tools are on hand. What I don't have is a new bushing... is this something I should be able to find locally? And, no, I still haven't cut open the filter.
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