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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: BradH] #2640908
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Originally Posted by BradH
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... scope Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far.

I should have been more clear and said it was looking like about $200 (give or take) for both tools combined.

The HF puller approach looks like a good idea. I found a video on YouTube last night showing someone pulling a bushing w/ a small OTC-brand puller, so I kinda had that idea in mind already. Nice to see that something I can buy 10 minutes from my house will work.

I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster.


I just did this on Sunday, that video on you tube is what made me think to grab the puller.


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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: BradH] #2640945
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Originally Posted by BradH
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I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster.

Trust me on using a stock used oil pump drive gear and shaft to install the bushing, it flat works great up
I've install hundreds of them that way with no bad results, so far luck whistling
Take a look at the bushings, all the ones I've installed have a taper on the oil pump end and a relief around the flange on top so the taper helps center the bushing to start with and after it is in 1/4 to 1/2 inch it is going in straight, the flange protect the inner bushing from collapsing and interfering on the clearances like I use to have happen when I drove them in with a bronze drift only tsk
If you wanted to use a long bolt or a piece of althread to suck the bushing in with nuts and flat washers that will work also work shruggy
Lots of choices on this up


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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2641084
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I do have a nice used shaft if I choose to do the install w/o the tool. work

For anyone that has the Proform tool mentioned above, is it machined properly to not ream out the bushing excessively? Some of the Proform stuff I've had in the past has been pretty sloppy on fit & finish, so I don't trust anything from that company. The other option is to hunt down a "genuine" MIller C-3053, but it may be more expensive.

Good news: I have a Harbor Freight 20% Off coupon for one item good through the end of the month. I can get their bushing puller kit for about $60, and like that idea better than using the "official" tool that screws into the old bushing, since the puller won't be cutting threads that could leave brass debris in the engine.

Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: BradH] #2641115
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A member here or on one of the Charger forums loaned me the MOPAR tool
for use with the correct MOPAR bushing.
The installation portion sizes the bushing OD for an interference fit and the burnishing part sizes the ID.

I've done them before without the tool too, BUT... I felt a lot better about it after using the correct method per Ma.

My 2 cents, Joe

Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: BradH] #2641301
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Or you can get a gage pin from McMaster Carr and drive it through the bushing after it is installed to burnish it. I took the dim off of the distributor shaft and added in the clearance and used the .4860 pin to do the job.



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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: jb500] #2641304
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I am pretty sure I have the tool around here somewhere. If I locate it I will loan it to you. I never used it. I have installed the bushing with a old gear before.

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Let us see what's in the oil filter?

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Originally Posted by camastomcat
Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy

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Originally Posted by BradH
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Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy

It is right where you left it work whistling


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Originally Posted by BradH
Originally Posted by camastomcat
Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy


Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, boogie


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Originally Posted by tboomer
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Originally Posted by camastomcat
Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy


Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, boogie


and when you find it, it will be in the last place you look...... biggrin
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: moparx] #2641735
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You put it in a very safe place.,.........I can never find something in the garage when I look for it. mad


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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: hemi-itis] #2641870
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That's a tool everyone with a race engine needs in their trailer. The other option is a System One or like oil filter that is easily taken apart. Their is no reason to diagnose a problem that may or may not exist. Again JMO.

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Brad, maybe you put the filter cutter in the trailer?

That must be where it is!

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Originally Posted by tboomer
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Originally Posted by camastomcat
Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy


Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, boogie

Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items.

Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before.

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Getting the outer cover off is easy, cutting the pleated paper element out of the end holder is the harder part, wrench
That needs to be done so you can look into the bottom of all the pleats. Do you have a sharp knife or long pointed box cutter? They both work well scope
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear? [Re: BradH] #2641987
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Originally Posted by BradH
Originally Posted by tboomer
Originally Posted by BradH
Originally Posted by camastomcat
Let us see what's in the oil filter?

Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... realcrazy


Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, boogie

Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items.

Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before.



Classic. Same thing happens to me so much it no longer affects me. I just know to buy two, maybe three of everything and put them in different places. I end up buying that many anyway. I save time that way.


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Sorry, no update. Typical BradH family weekend of "surprises" jacked up most of my plans. no

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brad here is a pic.

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Originally Posted by mopars4ever
brad here is a pic.

Mine now! boogie And it's a real Miller C-3053, too.

Got the puller kit from HF on Saturday, so the tools are on hand.

What I don't have is a new bushing... is this something I should be able to find locally?

And, no, I still haven't cut open the filter.

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