Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: Mag162]
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DaveRS23
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As long as the idle is not too bumpy, the Street Demon is probably the best street carb out there today.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: Mag162]
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I use afb and avs carbs only. They are easy to recondition and tune. You will like the performance. And as mentioned it just looks right on a 440.
I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: lewtot184]
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04/01/19 12:56 PM
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I've got an Eddy 750 on my stock-built 440 and it runs smooth with no issues at all. It gets my vote.
70 Challenger, 440, 4-speed, pLuM cRaZy 71 VW Super Beetle Convertible, Lemon Yellow A couple of Jeeps…
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: calrobb2000]
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04/02/19 07:13 AM
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750 Holley 3310. They come with 72 jets in the primary which is about perfect. Put the softest spring in the secondaries and you are golden. I've always used this on mild 440's, had great drivability, power and even mileage.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: GY3]
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04/02/19 08:27 AM
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750 Holley 3310. They come with 72 jets in the primary which is about perfect. Put the softest spring in the secondaries and you are golden. I've always used this on mild 440's, had great drivability, power and even mileage. ^^^^^^^^ What he said^^^^^^
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: RV2]
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04/02/19 09:43 AM
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DaveRS23
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750 Holley 3310. They come with 72 jets in the primary which is about perfect. Put the softest spring in the secondaries and you are golden. I've always used this on mild 440's, had great drivability, power and even mileage. ^^^^^^^^ What he said^^^^^^ Have you guys ever had a 3310 on a wide band? They are way fat on the cruise. They need at least 4 main jet steps down to start to get close to a clean cruise. Then the PVCRs need drilled open to correct the WOT, then the secondary spring needs changed. Then the power valve is usually late and needs changed. The 3310 is a good carb, but it is a very old, universal economy carb, which is the primary reason you see so many of them. Heck, I have had many of them myself over the years and for a long time was my go-to carb. It certainly was a better choice than the CarterBrocks for many reasons. Many guys like the 3310 and Double Pumpers because they are too fat. Our engines are much more tolerant of an over-rich condition than they are of even a slightly lean condition. The slightly lean tune is what gets the CarterBrocks their well deserved reputation for stumbles, hesitations, and stalls. With the CarterBrocks, the only fix is drill bits and a good understanding of their boosters. The 3310s and DPs are too fat, but drive well with no off idle problems. So since there are no noticeable transition issues, guys feel that they are tuned good. But they are way too fat. Period. Why buy a carb that needs that much attention? It makes more sense to me to get a carb with the modern features and tune that is closer to what our engines need so that they need less modifications/tuning. There are simply better choices for our street cars available today than the old 3310s and DPs. Holley has track tunes in the DPs and they work good there which is why when you read the Holley literature they are listed as track carbs. Holley has carbs with street tunes that are better suited to mild street engines. It is one thing for someone to say that they bought this carb or that carb and it didn't have any operational issues on their car. But is something different to recommend old out-of-date carbs when they haven't seen them on wide bands to really know what is going on with them other than they didn't exhibit any driveability issues. And then there is the issue that the recommendation comes with the fact that there is little or no experience with the newer model carbs to compare. Do a little research on the Street Demon's design. They have features that the others do not. Features that have real benefits on our street cars. And their tune is really, really close for our cars. So far, they have been close enough, that I haven't felt the need to change the tune. Simply put; they are closer out-of-box for our cars than any other carb I have ever installed. Now I have not had the opportunity to try one of the new AVS2s so I can't comment on that one. But there are 2 reasons I don't particularly care for the CarterBrocks. First, they are a pain to tune, you have to drill the boosters to get the transitions right, you need a box of rods, and have you seen the tuning chart for those things? And second, parts are much more difficult to come by, unlike their Holley counterparts. Right now, on mild street engines it is the Street Demon for the win.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: Jerry]
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04/02/19 10:46 AM
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spend a few hundred more and get a basic fitech throttle body efi unit. you can find the base models used for around 650-700, get yourself a command center and run a return line to the tank. best money you will have spend on the car Hmmmmmm........... A proven performer like the Street Demon can be had for less than $350, all in. And can be installed by most of us in an hour or so with no additional changes to an otherwise good fuel system. Or, Jerry says you can get a 'base' model throttle body injection system for twice as much money, $650-$700. Then there is the command center, which is about $400, so we are over triple the price for the carb with some additional costs sure to pop up. Then there is the install. For most of us, it will be our first time installing a fuel injection system, so it is fair to say that it will take longer that first time than it would someone who has installed them before. How long is realistic in this case? All day? A weekend? Longer..................? So, for a few hundred dollars more (more like triple the dollars) and for many more hours of labor, you can have a base model fuel injection system. One that really won't do a single thing better than a well tuned carb. One that will be obsolete in no time at all. One where you have to wonder how long service parts will be available. One that still suffers from all the issues that a 'wet' manifold brings. And one that you have to pray that it works on it's own because we don't know squat about it's workings. Oh and then there's the tuning part. Maybe it will do well all by itself or maybe (like many, many other users have found out), it needs help figuring it out. There's a bunch more time spent with the system and on the phone waiting for tech. Throttle body fuel injection is as antiquated a fuel delivery system as carbs are. None of our new vehicles are delivered today with either system. Port injection with timing control offers some real benefits. But look at the cost, complexity, and tuning time. The modest benefits are really not worth it and frankly, it is simply out of reach for most of us. A well tuned carb can easily rival throttle body injection in every way, and for way less money and difficulty. Everybody wants to take it out of the box, slap it on, and be good to go. With both carbs and fuel injection, sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. There are far more resources available for carbs than there are for injection. Someday injection may actually be able to compete with carbs. Maybe someday. But that is not today. Today, the best thing going for most of us is a well tuned carb.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: DaveRS23]
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Everybody wants to take it out of the box, slap it on, and be good to go. And this is why the over rich Holley is popular. It does indeed work out the box. I still like my AFB and AVS carb.s They are actually very easy to set-up. Just one mans opinion.
I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: bboogieart]
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04/02/19 12:03 PM
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DaveRS23
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Do you use a wide band with those CarterBrocks? If so, then you know how they are doing on the transitions and the cruise. If not, well.......................
And if you like the old AFBs and AVSs which were replaced by the ThermoQuad 45+ years ago, then you might really love the new Street Demon. It was designed by a Carter engineer and has much more in common with the Carters than with the Holleys. It is safe to say that the Street Demon picked up where the ThermoQuad left off. But you won't know that until you try one.
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Re: Carb choice for a mild 440
[Re: GY3]
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04/02/19 04:50 PM
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750 Holley 3310. They come with 72 jets in the primary which is about perfect. Put the softest spring in the secondaries and you are golden. I've always used this on mild 440's, had great drivability, power and even mileage. Holley has made the 3310 from way back, not all of them have the same jets, air bleeds and or a rear metering plate or metering block. My message is the List 3310-1 versus 3310-7 may or will have different primary jet #s
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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