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Strut Front End #2638044
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When going with a strut front end is it possible to use the factory front frame rails (1975 duster)? I already have a snout bar going from my cage to the shock mount and tied to the front of the frame rail just trying to figure out how much I may have to undo to make this change.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638050
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If you want to build your own complete set up.. not that hard
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Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638056
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Originally Posted by DusterKid
When going with a strut front end is it possible to use the factory front frame rails (1975 duster)? I already have a snout bar going from my cage to the shock mount and tied to the front of the frame rail just trying to figure out how much I may have to undo to make this change.




Check out some of the heads up cars. Lots of classes require Stock front frames but allow A arms or struts


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Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638060
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Yea you can!! I did just that on my 68 B'cuda except my snout bar goes from the firewall to the frame with the shock mount tied into it. I mounted the top strut mount on the snout bar and built my own k-frame to mount the control arms and the R&P mount. I debated long and hard about which front frame rails to purchase until I convinced myself that I could use the existing stock frame. One reason I was hesitant was some time ago a member here did it using the stock frame and he said he wouldn't attempt it again. All attempts to determine why he didn't like it went unanswered. I believe it is in the implementation and mine is simple and appears to be satisfactory. However, I haven't had it on the track as yet so how it handles is yet a mystery. The major recommendation I have is to be certain your ride height is adequate when setting up. Mine is very low and I have it worked out but it would have been better if it was set up at least a couple inches higher.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: pittsburghracer] #2638065
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by DusterKid
When going with a strut front end is it possible to use the factory front frame rails (1975 duster)? I already have a snout bar going from my cage to the shock mount and tied to the front of the frame rail just trying to figure out how much I may have to undo to make this change.




Check out some of the heads up cars. Lots of classes require Stock front frames but allow A arms or struts


Thanks did not know that.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: Blucuda413] #2638066
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Originally Posted by Blucuda413
Yea you can!! I did just that on my 68 B'cuda except my snout bar goes from the firewall to the frame with the shock mount tied into it. I mounted the top strut mount on the snout bar and built my own k-frame to mount the control arms and the R&P mount. I debated long and hard about which front frame rails to purchase until I convinced myself that I could use the existing stock frame. One reason I was hesitant was some time ago a member here did it using the stock frame and he said he wouldn't attempt it again. All attempts to determine why he didn't like it went unanswered. I believe it is in the implementation and mine is simple and appears to be satisfactory. However, I haven't had it on the track as yet so how it handles is yet a mystery. The major recommendation I have is to be certain your ride height is adequate when setting up. Mine is very low and I have it worked out but it would have been better if it was set up at least a couple inches higher.


That's one thing I'm a little concerned with is how low it may end up being. Do you have any pictures of your setup?

Re: Strut Front End [Re: Blucuda413] #2638067
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Will this be for drag only or for the street also.. the biggest issue is
getting the strut length you need if its going on the road
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Re: Strut Front End [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2638104
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Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
Will this be for drag only or for the street also.. the biggest issue is
getting the strut length you need if its going on the road
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Drag only

Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638142
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Yes you can, may have to add a loser attaching point but it can be and has been done.


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Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638246
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Is the email in your profile correct? If not send me your current to mine in my profile.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: Blucuda413] #2638287
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The problem that I have seen is most diy guys don' know how to set ride height before they start welding things together. That also goes for width also. Most drag struts only have 3" of travel so spring choice is critical.You don't use the spring to set your ride height. Guessing can get expensive when buying the correct spring. Scaling the car is the cheapest way. As long as you can make brackets and have the understanding of how struts are to be mounted there should be no problem.


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Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638319
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Originally Posted by DusterKid
Originally Posted by MR_P_BODY
Will this be for drag only or for the street also.. the biggest issue is
getting the strut length you need if its going on the road
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Drag only


I built my whole car.. it not that hard.. you just need to get your camber
and caster set right when your building the front end and get the
ride height where you want it.. set it up on paper first.. I made little
3D cut outs first so I could see the movement of the struts.. I went
with 10* caster so it would drive nice and straight.. was perfect for
my short wheel base
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Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638340
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Like stated before, planning is key. With the car and strut at the right ride heights, you need to determine mount points for the control arms. If you look at pics of ART or S&W strut front end kits, you will notice that the frame rails for struts are fairly straight, while c/arm front ends have a huge curve/rise to them. Your lower arm needs to be fairly parallel to the ground, so your mount points are very low.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: Blucuda413] #2638344
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Originally Posted by Blucuda413
Is the email in your profile correct? If not send me your current to mine in my profile.


Yes, that's the one I use.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: DusterKid] #2638418
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Re: Strut Front End [Re: MartyQ] #2638437
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Thanks, that gives me a real good idea of how things would end up.

I know doing a whole front clip would be the best to save the most weight, but wonder how much weight difference there would be between doing a strut front end with stock frame like pictures vs the bolt in tubular suspension like the gerst setup.

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DusterKid, those pictures from Fastfish451 are the ones which convinced me to go ahead and try to do the struts myself. Altho my k-member is different I think they are both pretty simple.

Re: Strut Front End [Re: MartyQ] #2638456
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These pics, in particular the 2nd or 3rd, show as viewed from the side that it might take moving the front 'axle' forward some in the wheel-well to get an acceptable caster angle WHEN USING THE PRODUCTION upper mount point, which I'd try to do if you're going thru the trouble. As suggested here by someone else, if nothing else, to make it 'legal' with relation to heads-up rules.

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